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Date: 09 Mar 2006 10:26:46
From: Parker Race
Subject: when I go round in circles ..
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It hurts!
I did my first track workout of the season on Tuesday, yesterday developed
pain in the muscle on the outside of the right shin and tendon on the
outside of the ankle. It's the same problem I had last Fall except on the
other side.
I've run all my best times in the past without track workouts, what was I
thinking.
No more track!
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 16:38:50
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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"Parker Race" <prace@nycap.rr.com > wrote in message
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> It hurts!
> I did my first track workout of the season on Tuesday, yesterday developed
> pain in the muscle on the outside of the right shin and tendon on the
> outside of the ankle. It's the same problem I had last Fall except on the
> other side.
>
> I've run all my best times in the past without track workouts, what was I
> thinking.
> No more track!
I have no experience with track workouts, but the "speedwork" that I
attempted to do last Fall for a 5k failed and led to a calf injury. There's
a really good reason coach Clyde Hart never has his 400 meter runners do any
speedwork. He only lets them rip in races. Granted, speedwork for distance
isn't the same as sprint speedwork, but it's got to be considered risky
stuff, especially for the aging runner. I'll never do anything above
threshold work from now on, even though I love to sprint. I'll confine my
sprinting to short bursts in the occasional pick-up soccer game.
-Tony
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 17:17:38
From: bj
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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"Tony S." <email_tonys@NOSPAMyahoo.com > wrote in message
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> I'll never do anything above
> threshold work from now on, even though I love to sprint. I'll confine my
> sprinting to short bursts in the occasional pick-up soccer game.
>
The only sprinting I do is to catch the traffic light (especially the one I
have to wait nearly a minute for -- and no, I can't ignore it, it's a major
street I need to cross, lotsa traffic) or in a race when I can smell the
finish line (it's almost over!).
bj
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 18:07:13
From: Tim Downie
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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Tony S. wrote:
> "Parker Race" <prace@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:GpTPf.9411$jf2.9136@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
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> I have no experience with track workouts, but the "speedwork" that I
> attempted to do last Fall for a 5k failed and led to a calf injury.
> There's a really good reason coach Clyde Hart never has his 400 meter
> runners do any speedwork. He only lets them rip in races. Granted,
> speedwork for distance isn't the same as sprint speedwork, but it's
> got to be considered risky stuff, especially for the aging runner.
How old is "aging"? I'm not entering my dotage like Doug (I'm just 49) but
I love my sprinting. Our club's hill repeats session is one of my
favourites. There's nothing like that surge of power and speed that you can
get out of well warmed up legs.
Tim
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 21:48:02
From: Parker Race
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"Tim Downie" <timdownie2003@obvious.yahoo.co.uk > wrote in message
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> Tony S. wrote:
>> "Parker Race" <prace@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:GpTPf.9411$jf2.9136@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
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>>
>> I have no experience with track workouts, but the "speedwork" that I
>> attempted to do last Fall for a 5k failed and led to a calf injury.
>> There's a really good reason coach Clyde Hart never has his 400 meter
>> runners do any speedwork. He only lets them rip in races. Granted,
>> speedwork for distance isn't the same as sprint speedwork, but it's
>> got to be considered risky stuff, especially for the aging runner.
>
> How old is "aging"? I'm not entering my dotage like Doug (I'm just 49)
> but I love my sprinting. Our club's hill repeats session is one of my
> favourites. There's nothing like that surge of power and speed that you
> can get out of well warmed up legs.
I had a great track workout one night where I felt great ( a year ago last
September), but it was my only track workout at the end of a very good
racing season.
So I don't think it's needed for me.
Some bodies just aren't built for it.
>
> Tim
>
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 21:05:05
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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"Tim Downie" <timdownie2003@obvious.yahoo.co.uk > wrote in message
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> Tony S. wrote:
> > "Parker Race" <prace@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:GpTPf.9411$jf2.9136@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
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> >
> > I have no experience with track workouts, but the "speedwork" that I
> > attempted to do last Fall for a 5k failed and led to a calf injury.
> > There's a really good reason coach Clyde Hart never has his 400 meter
> > runners do any speedwork. He only lets them rip in races. Granted,
> > speedwork for distance isn't the same as sprint speedwork, but it's
> > got to be considered risky stuff, especially for the aging runner.
>
> How old is "aging"? I'm not entering my dotage like Doug (I'm just 49)
but
> I love my sprinting. Our club's hill repeats session is one of my
> favourites. There's nothing like that surge of power and speed that you
can
> get out of well warmed up legs.
>
> Tim
Of course it depends on the person. At 43, I've had some major health issues
and joint problems. In this sense it has less to do with aging than with the
kind of health problems you experience in your life.
-Tony
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 17:50:18
From:
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:05:05 GMT, "Tony S."
<email_tonys@NOSPAMyahoo.com > wrote:
>Of course it depends on the person. At 43, I've had some major health issues
>and joint problems. In this sense it has less to do with aging than with the
>kind of health problems you experience in your life.
Sorry, I meant Tony, not Tim. Although Downie would do well to takle
that advice too.
NF
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 17:48:21
From:
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:05:05 GMT, "Tony S."
<email_tonys@NOSPAMyahoo.com > wrote:
>Of course it depends on the person. At 43, I've had some major health issues
>and joint problems.
Tim, Why not get help with your pot addiction? Smoking joints at 43 is
just sad, and it's no wonder you are having health problems.
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 11:58:11
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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"Tim Downie" <timdownie2003@obvious.yahoo.co.uk > wrote in message
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> How old is "aging"? I'm not entering my dotage like Doug (I'm just
> 49)
I'm wounded. :)
> but I love my sprinting. Our club's hill repeats session is one of my
> favourites. There's nothing like that surge of power and speed that
> you can get out of well warmed up legs.
At my advanced age I'm just glad to get to get out of bed, put my teeth
back in, and find my wrap around walker sand make it to the loo. Age
aside, we all agree that speed work is a necessary evil if one is to
excel to the Nth degree.
I do a repeat hill session every other Saturday with a hill that has
1,200 feet up over 2.5 miles. As you might imagine it is a slow grind
up but when we are on our last lap I add some short surges. Let's just
say it's a acceleration in effort that doesn't traverse much distance.
We usually run the hill in about 33 minutes. Other times we will run it
about 31 minutes. I'll bet your repeats are shorter. ;)
-DougF
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 18:10:49
From: Tim Downie
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote in message
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> I do a repeat hill session every other Saturday with a hill that has 1,200
> feet up over 2.5 miles. As you might imagine it is a slow grind up but
> when we are on our last lap I add some short surges. Let's just say it's a
> acceleration in effort that doesn't traverse much distance. We usually run
> the hill in about 33 minutes. Other times we will run it about 31 minutes.
> I'll bet your repeats are shorter. ;)
In Troon where my club is based, on one of the longer hills you can run for
a full 60 seconds before you reach the top and it rises nearly 20ft. So
yes, just a teensy bit shorter. ;-)
Tim
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 12:26:14
From: Doug Freese
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"Parker Race" <prace@nycap.rr.com > wrote in message
news:GpTPf.9411$jf2.9136@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> It hurts!
> I did my first track workout of the season on Tuesday, yesterday
> developed
> pain in the muscle on the outside of the right shin and tendon on the
> outside of the ankle. It's the same problem I had last Fall except on
> the other side.
>
> I've run all my best times in the past without track workouts, what
> was I thinking.
> No more track!
Amen! A few of us have been doing Wed, morning speed workouts. When I
suggested we add some speed to schedule for those that are not doing
speed some other day the other three said, almost in unison, I'm NOT
going back to the track. I thought I was the only one that felt that
way. Anyway, I never intended to use a track and we are simply doing 4
minutes at some pace that made us breath hard, and two minutes rest
times 6 on a undulating road. Call it fartlek, lactic threshold or
plodding along, they loved the impreciseness of running for time. What
is important, this was the third workout and everyone was starting get
their rhythm and the workout went well. The first two sucked.
-DF
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Date: 09 Mar 2006 21:45:14
From: Parker Race
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote in message
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> "Parker Race" <prace@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:GpTPf.9411$jf2.9136@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> It hurts!
>> I did my first track workout of the season on Tuesday, yesterday
>> developed
>> pain in the muscle on the outside of the right shin and tendon on the
>> outside of the ankle. It's the same problem I had last Fall except on the
>> other side.
>>
>> I've run all my best times in the past without track workouts, what was I
>> thinking.
>> No more track!
>
>
> Amen! A few of us have been doing Wed, morning speed workouts. When I
> suggested we add some speed to schedule for those that are not doing speed
> some other day the other three said, almost in unison, I'm NOT going back
> to the track. I thought I was the only one that felt that way. Anyway, I
> never intended to use a track and we are simply doing 4 minutes at some
> pace that made us breath hard, and two minutes rest times 6 on a
> undulating road. Call it fartlek, lactic threshold or plodding along, they
> loved the impreciseness of running for time. What is important, this was
> the third workout and everyone was starting get their rhythm and the
> workout went well. The first two sucked.
>
I'm done with the track too.
I did "10k" on an elliptical today.
Would have been hell except fpr the fact I got to watch Syracuse beat UCONN
on TV.
>
> -DF
>
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Date: 20 Mar 2006 16:20:59
From: Beach Bounty
Subject: Re: when I go round in circles ..
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nothing from nothing means nothing. yah goto have something if yah want
to be with me..ahhh hee hee
yah really who need track,
when you have the trails once hunting season is done on april first.....
who the fool.............got to go....
42=B0N,83=B0W 90=B0N,180=B0 90=B0lat,
3rd planet from the Sun.
Milky Way, Orion arm.
U.S.A., Michigan. west of Port Huron
Bottum of Lake Huron.
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Date: 20 Mar 2006 20:54:54
From:
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PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSYCHO
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:20:59 -0500, settings555@webtv.net (Beach
Bounty) wrote:
>nothing from nothing means nothing. yah goto have something if yah want
>to be with me..ahhh hee hee
>
>yah really who need track,
>when you have the trails once hunting season is done on april first.....
>who the fool.............got to go....
>
> 42°N,83°W 90°N,180° 90°lat,
> 3rd planet from the Sun.
> Milky Way, Orion arm.
> U.S.A., Michigan. west of Port Huron
> Bottum of Lake Huron.
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