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Date: 06 Nov 2006 11:22:29
From: Parker Race
Subject: slow times at NYC
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It looks like the elite winning times were off this year.
Any theories as to why?
A couple of local women did well, Eileen Combs (28) 2:52 and Nancy
Briskie 3:25 (48), I think the latter could do better, she starts too
fast, she was 1:09 at 15k. I have to give her credit thougg she was only
9 minutes slower than her time at the local Marathon in October which is
a fast course.
PR
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 05:14:20
From: LSmith
Subject: Re: slow times at NYC
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Deena Kastor, the women's favorite, finished sixth and then said,
"Tactically, I'm just not good at this." On a day with cool
temperatures and almost no wind.
"When you get sixth place, there are a lot of mistakes that add up,"
Kastor said. "The ups and downs of marathoning just happened at the
wrong times for me in this race."
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NYCM is a total tactical race. Heck, I saw Alan Culpepper DNF'ed @
20Mi. Can't hate on DK one bit. He pulled of a Neg Split on that
course for crissakes after all those 26.2 runs. A final time of
3:00:30 with a 1:30:31 first half?
This is astonishing and no one expected this, certainly not me. I
gotta believe he was out to beat Lance Armstrong and damn near did. I
completely believe potential self promotion/marketing angles were
driving him to pull off this effort.
I agree the elites times should have been lower.
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 12:43:26
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: slow times at NYC
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On 2006-11-06, Parker Race <pdr@pdr.com > wrote:
> It looks like the elite winning times were off this year.
> Any theories as to why?
Tactical races. The lead pack for the mens race was huge until about 15 miles.
Many of my teammates had a very good day. A bunch of guys in the ~1:18-1:20 range went
sub 2:50.
Cheers,
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Elflord
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 10:15:46
From: Ed Prochak
Subject: Re: slow times at NYC
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LSmith wrote:
> Deena Kastor, the women's favorite, finished sixth and then said,
> "Tactically, I'm just not good at this." On a day with cool
> temperatures and almost no wind.
> "When you get sixth place, there are a lot of mistakes that add up,"
> Kastor said. "The ups and downs of marathoning just happened at the
> wrong times for me in this race."
> _
>
> NYCM is a total tactical race. Heck, I saw Alan Culpepper DNF'ed @
> 20Mi. Can't hate on DK one bit. He pulled of a Neg Split on that
> course for crissakes after all those 26.2 runs. A final time of
> 3:00:30 with a 1:30:31 first half?
>
> This is astonishing and no one expected this, certainly not me. I
> gotta believe he was out to beat Lance Armstrong and damn near did. I
> completely believe potential self promotion/marketing angles were
> driving him to pull off this effort.
>
> I agree the elites times should have been lower.
So Lance,
Where's your race report. Weren't you going out to beat LA??
Ed
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 11:45:21
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: slow times at NYC
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lance rote:
> i was going to have Tom B get me through miles 1-10,
> Dan Stumpus get me from 10-18, and then have Donovan
> push me home. (this was my version of Salazar, Samuelson,
> & El G).
Salazar, Samuelson, & El G - attorneys at law. ;-)
Hey Dan, I think lance just called you a woman. You gonna take that
sitting down??
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 11:29:10
From: LSmith
Subject: Re: slow times at NYC
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> So Lance,
> Where's your race report. Weren't you going out to beat LA??
> Ed
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it was an unfair contest and they stacked the deck for Lance. I tried
but they would not let me violate USATF rules and bring in my own set
of professional runners / pacers. i was going to have Tom B get me
through miles 1-10, Dan Stumpus get me from 10-18, and then have
Donovan push me home. (this was my version of Salazar, Samuelson, &
El G).
I'd like to say Lance beat me fair and square but the fact of the
matter is he did not.
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 18:08:32
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: slow times at NYC
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On 2006-11-07, LSmith <Digisend@gmail.com > wrote:
>> So Lance,
>> Where's your race report. Weren't you going out to beat LA??
>> Ed
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> it was an unfair contest and they stacked the deck for Lance. I tried
> but they would not let me violate USATF rules and bring in my own set
> of professional runners / pacers. i was going to have Tom B get me
> through miles 1-10, Dan Stumpus get me from 10-18, and then have
> Donovan push me home. (this was my version of Salazar, Samuelson, &
> El G).
>
> I'd like to say Lance beat me fair and square but the fact of the
> matter is he did not.
Gotta say I'd rule in favor of Smith and say LA should be DQd for breaching
a number of rules (assistance/coaching, and possibly drafting as his vehicle
was too close)
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 06:31:03
From: Ed Prochak
Subject: Re: slow times at NYC
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LSmith wrote:
> > So Lance,
> > Where's your race report. Weren't you going out to beat LA??
> > Ed
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> it was an unfair contest and they stacked the deck for Lance. I tried
> but they would not let me violate USATF rules and bring in my own set
> of professional runners / pacers. i was going to have Tom B get me
> through miles 1-10, Dan Stumpus get me from 10-18, and then have
> Donovan push me home. (this was my version of Salazar, Samuelson, &
> El G).
>
> I'd like to say Lance beat me fair and square but the fact of the
> matter is he did not.
And it sounds like (based on one commentator's remarks) that LA will
not give you a chance for a rematch. I say you win by default at your
next marathon. You may likely beat his time soon. Get that foot healed!
Ed
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