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Date: 27 Jun 2006 19:09:05
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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The name of the race really bothers me.
It's part of "a 15-day festival focused on stopping violence against
women and girls" which is well and good, but why'd they have to put it
in the passive voice? Why not instead "Run to Stop the Violence," to
express some confidence that the hundreds (500 to 1000?) running this
5k (actually 3.2 miles, for reasons unknown to me, though there was a
dude standing at what was claimed to be the 5k mark calling out splits)
would cause a tangible reduction in wifebeating and rape? Whether it
really does or not? "Run Until the Violence Stops" sounds like an
implicit admission that we're impotent to really change anything, but
by golly we can keep circling this park, and maybe occasionally stomp
our feet in frustration and give a dirty look, until the evildoers feel
sufficiently guilty or bored to give up their evildoing. It conveys to
me a mindset of passivity and victimization, which I thought is what
the race and festival purport to be fighting.
But that's just me.
Anyhow, it's not only a weekday evening race on my home turf,
Brooklyn's Prospect Park, it's put on by NY Road Runners and designated
as a "marathon qualifier" - if you're a member and complete nine such
races in a year, you're guaranteed the priviledge of paying about five
bucks a mile to enter next year's NY Marathon.
I did my deed for womankind by shepherding a young lady from the park
entrance (actually from a mile and a half outside the park - it
subsequently emerged that she didn't know Brooklyn at all, had gotten
off at an earlier subway station than she should've, saw me jogging in
my race bib, and tailed me the rest of the way, and probably wouldn't
have approached me had I not stopped to sit down on a bench, to fiddle
with my shoe and see if I could reduce its rubbing my sore left heel
which had been scraped raw on Sunday's longish run when I guess some
debris must've gotten in my sock) to the registration desk by the
start, and walking her most of the way back to the nearest subway
afterward. In the spirit of the race and festival, I visited no
violence whatsoever upon her.
So the race results page, which has just now come up - it wasn't when I
started typing - says it was 82F and 65% humidity at the start. I
would've guessed a few degrees cooler but more humid; it was pretty
muggy for sure. Aha, weather underground agrees with me: 74F but 82%
RH, dew point 68F.
Warmed up with 3 miles and a few strides, jogged 2.3 miles home to cool
down.
With the small crowd (by NYRR standards) of 1528 I got a good start for
once, and hit the first mile at precisely at my goal of 6:00. The next
mile contains the big (well, over 100' anyhow, comparable to Central
Park) uphill and I hit that in 6:20. A twenty second penalty struck me
as about right and I hoped to regain much of it, or at the very least
run another six minute mile, on the third, gently downhill, mile.
Didn't happen: ran 6:10. The uphill had taken too much out of me,
combined with the muggy weather. With 18:30 at 3 miles, sub 19 for 5k
wouldn't happen. Close though: 19:02 and a half, if the split caller
was standing in just the right spot. That's 1:40 less than my two year
old PR. Finished in 19:40 (net, 19:45 gun).
Given the small field, it's no surprise I finished much higher than
usual - 36th overall, 16th of 258 in M3039.
I'm happy in a low-key way with the race. I hadn't found myself
supremely revved up for this one, between its subservience in my mind
to my bigger goalier race in 12 days, the evening start, the
lazy-making weather, and the fact that it was on my home turf where
I've run many hundreds of laps (this surprised me: I expected it might
be a big motivator, but found instead that familiarity bred a bit of
indifference, as opposed to say Central Park where I only go to race
and never train)... so I can't say I really pushed for every last
fraction of a second in the final mile, though not *that* far from it
either. OTOH more excitement might've had me start faster and finish
slower for a worse race.
Came home to a cold bath and hot pasta (with sausage, peas, ricotta
salata, sun-dried tomatoes, olive oil). Now I think my body's asking
for some kind of ice cream or sorbet, and having asked a lot of my
body, the least I can do is heed its little requests.
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 03:33:25
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1151460545.317152.195950@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> The name of the race really bothers me.
>
> It's part of "a 15-day festival focused on stopping violence against
> women and girls" which is well and good, but why'd they have to put it
> in the passive voice? Why not instead "Run to Stop the Violence," to
> express some confidence that the hundreds (500 to 1000?) running this
> 5k (actually 3.2 miles, for reasons unknown to me, though there was a
> dude standing at what was claimed to be the 5k mark calling out splits)
Lame name I agree. And why the nonstandard distance. Trail races I can
understand, but roads are all about certified courses. Sounds like they're
trying to be cute in the name and in the 3.2 -- doesn't fly.
...
> So the race results page, which has just now come up - it wasn't when I
> started typing - says it was 82F and 65% humidity at the start. I
> would've guessed a few degrees cooler but more humid; it was pretty
> muggy for sure. Aha, weather underground agrees with me: 74F but 82%
> RH, dew point 68F.
What day was this race on? Today? Yup it was muggy! When I ran at lunchtime
it was 79f with about 90% RH coming straight off the river. A stiff breezed
saved me somewhat, but I was glad to be toting a liter bottle.
...
> Given the small field, it's no surprise I finished much higher than
> usual - 36th overall, 16th of 258 in M3039.
Nice Charlie -- I measure my results in much broader mid-pack terms, like am
I in the top 1/2 (or top 1/3 if I'm lucky) of the entire field at a trail
race. You've got some talent, so no more underachieving -- if you can run
within 3 days after the boilermaker I'm gonna call you out! No more of this
"I jogged 5 miles home after the race" kind of shit ;)
-Tony
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 10:35:05
From: Ed Prochak
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:
> The name of the race really bothers me.
>
> It's part of "a 15-day festival focused on stopping violence against
> women and girls" which is well and good, but why'd they have to put it
> in the passive voice? Why not instead "Run to Stop the Violence," to
> express some confidence that the hundreds (500 to 1000?) running this
> 5k (actually 3.2 miles, for reasons unknown to me, though there was a
> dude standing at what was claimed to be the 5k mark calling out splits)
> would cause a tangible reduction in wifebeating and rape? Whether it
> really does or not? "Run Until the Violence Stops" sounds like an
> implicit admission that we're impotent to really change anything, but
> by golly we can keep circling this park, and maybe occasionally stomp
> our feet in frustration and give a dirty look, until the evildoers feel
> sufficiently guilty or bored to give up their evildoing. It conveys to
> me a mindset of passivity and victimization, which I thought is what
> the race and festival purport to be fighting.
Well said. And Dot made a good point about the ultra aspect of the
name.
[]
> With the small crowd (by NYRR standards) of 1528 I got a good start for
> once, and hit the first mile at precisely at my goal of 6:00. The next
> mile contains the big (well, over 100' anyhow, comparable to Central
> Park) uphill and I hit that in 6:20. A twenty second penalty struck me
> as about right and I hoped to regain much of it, or at the very least
> run another six minute mile, on the third, gently downhill, mile.
> Didn't happen: ran 6:10. The uphill had taken too much out of me,
> combined with the muggy weather. With 18:30 at 3 miles, sub 19 for 5k
> wouldn't happen. Close though: 19:02 and a half, if the split caller
> was standing in just the right spot. That's 1:40 less than my two year
> old PR. Finished in 19:40 (net, 19:45 gun).
>
> Given the small field, it's no surprise I finished much higher than
> usual - 36th overall, 16th of 258 in M3039.
It doesn't matter if it was a smaller field. It was the competition of
that race and your PR likely pushed you higher in the rankings more
than any possible lowering of competition. Anyway, congratulations on
your PR and thanks for the good report.
Ed
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 07:19:55
From: Dot
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:
> The name of the race really bothers me.
>
> It's part of "a 15-day festival focused on stopping violence against
> women and girls" which is well and good, but why'd they have to put it
> in the passive voice? Why not instead "Run to Stop the Violence," to
> express some confidence that the hundreds (500 to 1000?) running this
> 5k (actually 3.2 miles, for reasons unknown to me, though there was a
> dude standing at what was claimed to be the 5k mark calling out splits)
> would cause a tangible reduction in wifebeating and rape? Whether it
> really does or not? "Run Until the Violence Stops" sounds like an
> implicit admission that we're impotent to really change anything, but
> by golly we can keep circling this park,
Sounds like the name for a very long ultra to me - unfortunately. Oh,
that it could be done in a 5k time.
>
> With the small crowd (by NYRR standards) of 1528 I got a good start for
> once, and hit the first mile at precisely at my goal of 6:00.
Oh, my. Random occurrences do sometimes result in what was planned.:)
(sorry, couldn't resist)
>
> Given the small field, it's no surprise I finished much higher than
> usual - 36th overall, 16th of 258 in M3039.
>
> I'm happy in a low-key way with the race.
Good show, Charlie. Smaller than normal or not, that's still really good
placement.
I hadn't found myself
> supremely revved up for this one, between its subservience in my mind
> to my bigger goalier race in 12 days, the evening start, the
> lazy-making weather, and the fact that it was on my home turf where
> I've run many hundreds of laps (this surprised me: I expected it might
> be a big motivator, but found instead that familiarity bred a bit of
> indifference, as opposed to say Central Park where I only go to race
> and never train)
I'm not surprised. I've found our road races through town are pretty
un-motivating - some start right across from where I used to work, some
follow my bike commute route, etc. That might have something to do with
my only having done one (a winter tri).
Now I think my body's asking
> for some kind of ice cream or sorbet, and having asked a lot of my
> body, the least I can do is heed its little requests.
Mine asks for ice cream - every night ;)
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 20:59:21
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Tony wrote:
> You've got some talent
Thanks for saying so, Tony, but I really (prefer to) think I'm just
getting fairly decent results from working my ass off, training longer
and harder and - poco a poco - smarter than most of my no-talent 38
year old peers (1). And frankly, those dudes are all a lot more
rational, recognizing their limitations and not trying to push anywhere
near the hairy edge of injury or overtraining just to be only a couple
or three notches slower than someone with genuine speed and a lousy
work ethic.
But I will admit to lucking into a fairly small frame. Surely that's
part of "talent". Now if I could just remove that last few egregiously
surplus pounds from the midsection...
> "I jogged 5 miles home after the race" kind of shit ;)
I give you my personal guarantee that I shan't jog 5 miles home after
the Boilermaker. ;-)
(1) though of course shorter and easier than some of my more talented,
more female, slightly older peers here
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 14:20:20
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Nice work, CP. Zeroing in on the mythical 6:00 pace...First the 5k, then???
Maybe we should put on a "Stop the Violins" race...
(For humor purposes only. Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect
those of the management)
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 14:52:42
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Dan wrote:
> Zeroing in on the mythical 6:00 pace...First the 5k, then???
Then yes, surely the marathon. I feel a two thirty seven comin' on.
Of course NYCM is a tough tough course, so let's figure 2:37 anywhere
else is about a 3:02 at New York, OK?
> Maybe we should put on a "Stop the Violins" race...
Yeah we could, heh, but really I'm rather a fan of violins. If all
these big-time races feel compelled to line the courses with musical
acts, I'd be quite happy with string quartets. Maybe call it "stop and
smell the violins".
I'd run for "stop the bagpipes". For whatever reason, bagpipes keep
figuring prominently in those road races of mine which feature "music",
and when speaking of bagpipes I use the term loosely.
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 03:45:42
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote
> Dan wrote:
>> Zeroing in on the mythical 6:00 pace...First the 5k, then???
>
> Then yes, surely the marathon. I feel a two thirty seven comin' on.
>
> Of course NYCM is a tough tough course, so let's figure 2:37 anywhere
> else is about a 3:02 at New York, OK?
Just remember: "A dream is a wish your heart makes"... I worked hard for
the magic 2:37, but then found after reaching it that I had a hell of a time
cracking it. Therefore, shoot for 2:23...
>> Maybe we should put on a "Stop the Violins" race...
> I'd run for "stop the bagpipes". For whatever reason, bagpipes keep
> figuring prominently in those road races of mine which feature "music",
> and when speaking of bagpipes I use the term loosely.
Ok I'll give you the rights for that if I get "run to stop the accordions"
for North America plus European distribution rights.
-- Dan
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 17:52:30
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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I wrote:
> working my ass off [...] near the hairy edge of injury or overtraining
Alright, that was over the top and I can't believe nobody called me a
drama queen for it.
> Now if I could just remove that last few egregiously
> surplus pounds from the midsection...
But having just returned from the dor - annual checkup, routine
bloodwork, look at my gross poison ivy or whatever form of contact
dermatitis caused this nasty rash - I did receive a bit of an eye
opener which might help explain the obstinancy of those last few
pounds, and/or maybe shed some light on some of my responses (and
non-responses) to training, and perhaps even lend a grain of support to
my grandiose claims of pushing my body about as far as it wants to be
pushed, however modest some of the numbers look.
Turns out my TSH level (primary indicator of thyroid level) from last
year - which the dor at the time called "fine" (and I meant to ask
for the precise test numbers but never received them for reasons I no
longer recall) was just barely inside the "normal" range (5.8, cutoff
is 6.0), and apparently many consider anything above about 2.0 as
"subclinically hypo", and some say you're far likelier to feel and
perform your best around 1.0. By next week I'll know where my TSH, as
well as T3 & T4, and ferritin, hematocrit etc. are currently.
I was already taking synthroid but if my level comes back anywhere
near, or worse than, last year's, I'll definitely be interested in
adjusting the dose. The dor agreed.
>From some reading, as an endurance athlete you really don't want your
thyroid low. There's lots of info at medical sites, and here's one
discussion from runners' perspective:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=367006
So we're only midway through the story, but one clear moral already is:
don't just accept "the numbers are OK" from your dor, unless you're
really confident that your dor has the depth and bredth of
expertise, combined with the time and initiative, to catch anything
that might be of interest to you not just as an ordinary human but as
an endurance athlete. Sure, she knows a whole lot more than you do;
but in this google age it's just so easy to dial up as much specific
info and opinion and experiences as you could ever want - and if it's
your health at stake, why not poke around a little, double-check that
"looks fine" and "everything is normal".
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Date: 01 Jul 2006 14:23:09
From: steve common
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote:
>Turns out my TSH level (primary indicator of thyroid level) from last
>year - which the dor at the time called "fine" (and I meant to ask
>for the precise test numbers but never received them for reasons I no
>longer recall) was just barely inside the "normal" range (5.8, cutoff
>is 6.0), and apparently many consider anything above about 2.0 as
>"subclinically hypo", and some say you're far likelier to feel and
>perform your best around 1.0.
What are the units do you know? Is it mU/l or the equivalent µU/ml like
they say here ?
http://www.bloodbook.com/ranges.html
On the last test I had, just before La Rochelle marathon last year, my TSH
was 0.92 mUI/l, up from 0.83 a year earlier, which fits your description
of the "optimal" zone, but the reference range was given by the lab as
0.40 to 3.10.
So either we aren't on the same units after all, or the "normal" range has
a much higher upper limit in the US (Canada gives 5.0 upper limit as far
as I can tell), or maybe it depends on the method used (mine was the "TSH
ultra-sensitive" done on LIA ABBOTT Axsym kit).
If the methods/units are the same, it makes you wonder what "normal" might
then mean. Is it in a statistical sense, on observed values over the
population, or a health sense.
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 03:37:12
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com >
> Alright, that was over the top and I can't believe nobody called me a
> drama queen for it.
We abbreviate it as DQ around here...and yes the thought crossed my mind,
but no, I left it at that... :-)
> Turns out my TSH level (primary indicator of thyroid level) from last
> year - which the dor at the time called "fine" (and I meant to ask
> for the precise test numbers but never received them for reasons I no
> longer recall) was just barely inside the "normal" range (5.8, cutoff
> is 6.0), and apparently many consider anything above about 2.0 as
> "subclinically hypo", and some say you're far likelier to feel and
> perform your best around 1.0. By next week I'll know where my TSH, as
> well as T3 & T4, and ferritin, hematocrit etc. are currently.
Yes, the TSH being high is a sign in some that your body is trying like mad
to make more t3 &t4 and other such stuff.
Btw, my Dad and I both have below normal T4. (I don't know what my TSH is)
We were both medicated for it, but both went off the meds. Made us more
irritable. Neither of us put on fat -- we tend to bulk up with muscle when
we gain weight. My body temp is usually 96 and change in the morning. 98+
means I'm sick. I wonder if slightly low t4 and body temperature, like a
slow heartbeat, might be an effect of being in great shape.
Dad was able to run 44 flat 10k at age 63 (equiv to a 35:10) on 15-20
miles/week and no speedwork. I was a bit less talented, but cranked out the
mythical 2:37 on 90+ mpw. So I don't know if low t4 is necessarily a bad
thing for runners.
CP, do you have other classic hypoT symptoms? A tendency to put on a few
lbs of fat can be caused by lots of other things than low T. I'd go so far
as to say that skinny legs and 3 extra lbs in the gut is preferable to heavy
muscular legs and a flat stomach (in terms of speed, not necessarily in the
female-attraction department)
When I was medicated for my T condition, I thought it would make me faster,
smarter, healthier, and have more good hair days. After the placebo effect
wore off, I decided that it made no difference to me. YMMV, DTEYR (don't
trust everything you read), etc.
Anyway, I'll be interested in what you do, and the results therefrom.
PS: Gonna make it out here for Bulldog?
-- Dan
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 12:07:44
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Dan Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com > wrote in message
news:Ih0qg.2055$ye3.1734@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> PS: Gonna make it out here for Bulldog?
Get him to watch and then see the hook sink in! :)
-Doug
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Date: 01 Jul 2006 05:52:45
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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steve common wrote:
> http://www.bloodbook.com/ranges.html
And thanks again for this link: according to its formula for ideal body
weight (charmingly, to this Murrican, expressed in kg and inches) I am
actually 5 or 6 kg underweight.
Still think I'll run better at 7 to 10 kg "underweight", and hope to
find out, maybe by this fall.
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Date: 01 Jul 2006 05:47:44
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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steve common wrote:
> Pendejo wrote:
>> my TSH level [...] was just barely inside the "normal" range (5.8
>
> What are the units do you know? Is it mU/l or the equivalent =B5U/ml like
> they say here ?
> http://www.bloodbook.com/ranges.html
>
> On the last test I had, just before La Rochelle marathon last year, my TSH
> was 0.92 mUI/l, up from 0.83 a year earlier, which fits your description
> of the "optimal" zone, but the reference range was given by the lab as
> 0.40 to 3.10.
steve, your link actually says:
Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) 0.5 - 6.0 =B5 units/mL
which is the same numbers I've heard. But there seems to be plenty of
variation in thought, and in fact in recent years maybe a shift. This
page:
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/newsinfo/l/bltest_values.htm
notes that the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists
decided in 2003 the range really ought to be 0.3 - 3.0.
And there's also apparently plenty of disagreement on whether 'tis
sufficient to supply T4 (synthroid) from which your body can make T3
(maybe at sufficient rate, maybe not) or whether to supplement T3 too.
And of course everything's geared toward the sedentary office worker...
there's little to no "official"/scientific data out there on specific
concerns of the endurance athlete.
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Date: 01 Jul 2006 15:02:55
From: steve common
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote:
>steve, your link actually says:
>
> Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) 0.5 - 6.0 µ units/mL
>
>which is the same numbers I've heard.
Sorry I wasn't very clear, I saw that that link corresponded to what you
were saying, but my lab, and French/Swiss/Belgian med sites I looked at,
give 3.xx as an upper limit.
>notes that the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists
>decided in 2003 the range really ought to be 0.3 - 3.0.
Ahhh there we go. OK that seems to fit with "European" ranges. Maybe it's
just that the standards are taking a while to catch up.
My wife is "hypo" and runs on levothyrox (in a few days I'll be getting
spammed with thyroid med offers after this thread :-)
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 08:32:49
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Doug wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> Gonna make it out here for Bulldog?
>
> Get him to watch and then see the hook sink in! :)
Screw that. After this last week of poison ivy, I'm a confirmed road
racer and hate trails and all things natural or green. Pave it all,
baby!
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 00:49:48
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1151940769.593262.265700@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Doug wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>> Gonna make it out here for Bulldog?
>>
>> Get him to watch and then see the hook sink in! :)
>
> Screw that. After this last week of poison ivy, I'm a confirmed road
> racer and hate trails and all things natural or green. Pave it all,
> baby!
Come North 90 miles, just flowering Mountain Laurel and trees.
-Doug
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 02:52:52
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:MWiqg.19300$7e.4035@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>
> "Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151940769.593262.265700@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> > Doug wrote:
> >> Dan wrote:
> >>> Gonna make it out here for Bulldog?
> >>
> >> Get him to watch and then see the hook sink in! :)
> >
> > Screw that. After this last week of poison ivy, I'm a confirmed road
> > racer and hate trails and all things natural or green. Pave it all,
> > baby!
>
>
> Come North 90 miles, just flowering Mountain Laurel and trees.
>
> -Doug
- and stinging nettles!
-Tony
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 04:48:29
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Tony S." <email_tonys@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:8Kkqg.1781$Ap2.1554@trnddc03...
> - and stinging nettles!
Know thy trails( and whether they have been maintined) :)
-D
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 05:38:12
From: Dot
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote:
"Screw that. After this last week of poison ivy, I'm a confirmed road
racer and hate trails and all things natural or green. Pave it all, baby!"
"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote:
"Come North 90 miles, just flowering Mountain Laurel and trees."
Tony wrote:
"- and stinging nettles!"
From another group a few weeks ago:
"Wednesday night I did a short trail race hosted by "Smokin' Dick"
Vincent and marshalled by Doug Freese, had a blast, and woke up
yesterday morning with a very large portion of my being covered with the
worst rash of poison ivy I've ever seen!"
Hmmm,.... :) ;)
Our group has been given permission to whack away at rose bushes and
devil's club as well as cow parsnip and assorted other evils - along any
trail we want. We've got stinging nettles also, but relatively minor
along the trails (lots along road). We don't have poison ivy or oak up
here. Our vegetation grows faster than anybody can maintain it or users
can keep it trampled. There's too much work for the parks people to keep
up with - or even do one time on some trails. People will sometimes take
brushing gear with them on bike rides, or run then brush or vice versa.
In my exploring some new trails this summer and trying to match my race
course topography, I suddenly realized that if I kept to the high
country (which I don't use in winter, but most of my summer races go
through that type terrain), I don't have to deal with trees or brush, so
I can see and be seen by bears and don't have to deal with some of the
veggies that attack.;) Not only that, but some of the big hills aren't
quite as steep so I can run at least parts of them. Beautiful views and
some of my favorite vegetation are added bonuses, although that does
have a negative effect on continuity of runs. Oh, well.
Happy 4th everyone!!
Dot
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"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 14:33:54
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote in message
news:89nqg.310305$Fs1.198197@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> From another group a few weeks ago:
> "Wednesday night I did a short trail race hosted by "Smokin' Dick"
> Vincent and marshalled by Doug Freese, had a blast, and woke up
> yesterday morning with a very large portion of my being covered with
> the worst rash of poison ivy I've ever seen!"
Where was that posted?
>
> Hmmm,.... :) ;)
Me and the RD marked the course immediately before the race went off and
didn't see any poison ivy on the trail nor get any. As we know one can
wander a few feet off-trail for potty breaks and drop their guard along
with their pants. Deb and I stayed back during the race to chill the
beer sand get first dibs at the food. ;)
These are three very low profile mid week races that have a kinky, i.e.
hard but short in distance difficulty factor, and all three RD's help
each other. Sometimes we can run each others race. It's $2 a head and
the honor policy with the money jar. It pays for the flour, some cups
and maybe some chips and salsa. Any excess money goes to the club. Of
the three races we may made about $27. We'll use it for seed money next
year.
-DougF
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 15:45:28
From: Dot
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> news:89nqg.310305$Fs1.198197@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>From another group a few weeks ago:
>>"Wednesday night I did a short trail race hosted by "Smokin' Dick"
>>Vincent and marshalled by Doug Freese, had a blast, and woke up
>>yesterday morning with a very large portion of my being covered with
>>the worst rash of poison ivy I've ever seen!"
>
>
> Where was that posted?
ul "Poison Ivy (How do I get rid of it?)" 6/9 (for some reason it stuck
in my mind when I read it, but I did have to look for it)
Sorry, I couldn't resist ribbing you on that one.;)
>
>>Hmmm,.... :) ;)
>
>
> Me and the RD marked the course immediately before the race went off and
> didn't see any poison ivy on the trail nor get any. As we know one can
> wander a few feet off-trail for potty breaks and drop their guard along
> with their pants.
It's also possible he could've gotten it someplace else earlier that day
or the previous. It's also possible the guy might have been immune to it
earlier in life and doesn't recognize it.
> Deb and I stayed back during the race to chill the
> beer sand get first dibs at the food. ;)
>
> These are three very low profile mid week races that have a kinky, i.e.
> hard but short in distance difficulty factor, and all three RD's help
> each other. Sometimes we can run each others race. It's $2 a head and
> the honor policy with the money jar. It pays for the flour, some cups
> and maybe some chips and salsa. Any excess money goes to the club. Of
> the three races we may made about $27. We'll use it for seed money next
> year.
Sounds like fun. We have more trail races than we used to, but it would
be nice if there were some more shorter (say 5-13 mi, or even 5-10k),
non-mountain ones in the summer just to get some experience. The xc
series is in the fall, and most of the summer trail races are the
mountain grand prix (some have lotteries, some with time limits, or
strong on the macho aspects). Fairbanks area has a lot more trail races
than we do, but their topography is gentler.
Dot
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"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 16:34:23
From: Dot
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Doug Freese wrote:
> It's $2 a head and
> the honor policy with the money jar.
In contrast:
http://www.adn.com/sports/Mount_Marathon/story/7931098p-7823767c.html
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"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 18:06:49
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote
>>> DS: Gonna make it out here for Bulldog?
>>
>> DF: Get him to watch and then see the hook sink in! :)
>
> Screw that. After this last week of poison ivy, I'm a confirmed road
> racer and hate trails and all things natural or green. Pave it all,
> baby!
Nice try, CP. 90% on fireroads, and the single track has no Poison Oak (all
sunny & dry).
It fills up every year.
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 23:08:20
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: race report: Run Until the Violence Stops 5k
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Dan Stumpus wrote:
> CP, do you have other classic hypoT symptoms?
Some, though it's so hard to say with a lot of this matter-of-degree
stuff. e.g. Am I more tired and lethargic than I oughtta be? Should I
be concentrating better? Yeah, I'd like to think so but it's hard to
be definitive.
I understand Reynaud's is sometimes linked with hypoT, and that seems
to have been worse this year than prior years - in fact I don't think
it was an issue for me at all say five years or more ago.
> I'd go so far as to say that skinny legs and 3 extra lbs in the gut is
> preferable to heavy muscular legs and a flat stomach
I can buy that. Still if getting my levels in a better place makes me
feel and perform better, and also eliminates those pounds in the
process, I wouldn't be sad to see 'em go. It's kinda funny really:
during post-run stretching my limbs these days look like some kind of
anatomical dummy with all these muscles and tendons and bands clearly
visible in razor sharp focus - it's a little disconcerting to me. And
then in the middle there's the Pillsbury Dough Boy remnants of a gut
that my body refuses to burn. I'm not terribly vain about it, but it's
an obvious mismatch.
> When I was medicated for my T condition, I thought it would make me
> faster, smarter, healthier, and have more good hair days. After the
> placebo effect wore off, I decided that it made no difference to me.
Your TSH and T3 levels are/were more normal?
If I didn't mention it before, I already do take the T4; it's mostly a
matter of whether the dose needs adjustment. (Actually I also
understand there are different schools of thought on whether
supplementing T3 may be beneficial... dunno if that's something I may
wanna pursue or just leave well enough alone.)
Hey, thanks for sharing your experience!
> PS: Gonna make it out here for Bulldog?
Geez, it's no longer all that far away is it? There's so much flux in
my world, I haven't been looking even that far ahead. Any idea when
they're likely to fill up and close registration?
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