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Date: 31 Jul 2006 07:38:52
From: octogenarian
Subject: pondering SF marathon death
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43 year old runner died ~23miles mark of heart failure.
Well, ever known of a death which heart did not fail?
Wonder if he would be better off and live much much longer by limiting
to 1/2 marathons.
Wonder if he experienced severe discomfort but kept on running
(jogging) some time before collapsing in the Street of San Francisco.
Scary.
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 09:50:59
From: bluezfolk
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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ogenarian wrote:
> 43 year old runner died ~23miles mark of heart failure.
>
> Well, ever known of a death which heart did not fail?
>
> Wonder if he would be better off and live much much longer by limiting
> to 1/2 marathons.
>
> Wonder if he experienced severe discomfort but kept on running
> (jogging) some time before collapsing in the Street of San Francisco.
>
> Scary.
The big question is, if he weren't a runner how old would he have lived
to?
Eric
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 14:59:59
From: Donovan Rebbechi
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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On 2006-07-31, ogenarian <jimg2k@yahoo.com > wrote:
> 43 year old runner died ~23miles mark of heart failure.
>
> Well, ever known of a death which heart did not fail?
>
> Wonder if he would be better off and live much much longer by limiting
> to 1/2 marathons.
>
> Wonder if he experienced severe discomfort but kept on running
> (jogging) some time before collapsing in the Street of San Francisco.
>
> Scary.
My understanding is that there is very little warning. Usually people
collapse *after* crossing the finish line/stopping, maybe he felt bad and
stopped to walk or something.
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 13:08:38
From: Brian Baresch
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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>My understanding is that there is very little warning. Usually people
>collapse *after* crossing the finish line/stopping, maybe he felt bad and
>stopped to walk or something.
I heard once that the most frequent warning sign of a heart attack is
death.
--
Brian P. Baresch
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
Professional editing and proofreading
If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 20:25:58
From:
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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> However, people who run races are much less likely to get a heart attack
> than sedentary folks. I guess one way to interpret it is: you're less
> likely to die, but if you do, it'll be with your boots on...
I know that if I had any kind of symptoms at mile 23 (other than
bonking, which is different) I would keep going, just like this poor
guy. Adrenalin does amazing things.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 10:41:06
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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<revyakin@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154402758.446348.43090@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> However, people who run races are much less likely to get a heart
>> attack
>> than sedentary folks. I guess one way to interpret it is: you're
>> less
>> likely to die, but if you do, it'll be with your boots on...
>
> I know that if I had any kind of symptoms at mile 23 (other than
> bonking, which is different) I would keep going, just like this poor
> guy. Adrenalin does amazing things.
I don't think adrenalin has anything to do with it. At that point in a
race you use "balls" so to speak, to get through. Not much fight or
flight at 23 miles, maybe the last 20 yards. A marathon is long, hard
race and almost everyone experiences and expects bad patches especially
in the last 10k. Most people just chalk it up to too hot, too under
trained, running too fast, too something and keep on truckin' because
they are not medically trained to know better but a great deal of
stubbornness with months of training under their belts.
-Doug
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 16:23:10
From: rick++
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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Just another way people die.
Runners die 1/3 to 1/2 the rate of cardio problems than
equivalent age group, depending on whose study you
read. Not immortal as Jim Fixx suggested.
Still I'd guess moany people would run if it had a higher
death rate because running is such a pleasure.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 02:51:48
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> Just another way people die.
> Runners die 1/3 to 1/2 the rate of cardio problems than
> equivalent age group, depending on whose study you
> read. Not immortal as Jim Fixx suggested.
> Still I'd guess moany people would run if it had a higher
> death rate because running is such a pleasure.
Jim Fixx had clogged arteries. Something simple like taking cayenne capsule
supplements to help keep the pipes clean will do it.
-Tony
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 12:00:05
From:
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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> My understanding is that there is very little warning. Usually people
> collapse *after* crossing the finish line/stopping, maybe he felt bad and
> stopped to walk or something
_
the sudden stop causes the heart to dramatically reduce the amount of
blood/02 to the brain and thus the collapse (faint). the heart
attacks i understand come in motion & the runners drop.
i'm the same age as the dead fellow & wondering if i should be wearing
a heart rate monitor as a simple precaution to sound an alarm if i am
pushing into new territory. this guy was a first time marathoner
trying to BQ too.
btw, female winner was NYRR Julia Stamps. got a kick out of seeking
GNY Male 40-44 times in a team pointer on saturday, Glover's #1 male
6:33 min/mile in a 5K, low 80s & low 60's humidity? And on a improved
5K course? hee hee hee...c'mon donnie. i was wrong, i would not be
#2, i'd be #1 :)
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 21:46:25
From: Donovan Rebbechi
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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On 2006-07-31, lanceandrew@aol.com <lanceandrew@aol.com > wrote:
> btw, female winner was NYRR Julia Stamps. got a kick out of seeking
> GNY Male 40-44 times in a team pointer on saturday, Glover's #1 male
> 6:33 min/mile in a 5K, low 80s & low 60's humidity? And on a improved
> 5K course? hee hee hee...c'mon donnie. i was wrong, i would not be
> #2, i'd be #1 :)
Not if you didn't enter the race. And even if you did, our number one 50+ guy could
kick your ass. (btw, our top 40-44 guy is also quite a lot faster than you)
Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 18:17:01
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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"ogenarian" <jimg2k@yahoo.com > wrote
> Well, ever known of a death which heart did not fail?
>
> Wonder if he would be better off and live much much longer by limiting
> to 1/2 marathons.
I read an article someone sent me a few days ago -- the chances of a heart
attack are much greater during or immediately after a race than they are at
other times. (Dehydration and stress hormones make the blood stickier and
more prone to clotting, for one).
However, people who run races are much less likely to get a heart attack
than sedentary folks. I guess one way to interpret it is: you're less
likely to die, but if you do, it'll be with your boots on...
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 10:32:51
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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"Dan Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com > wrote in message
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> "ogenarian" <jimg2k@yahoo.com> wrote
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>> Well, ever known of a death which heart did not fail?
>>
>> Wonder if he would be better off and live much much longer by
>> limiting
>> to 1/2 marathons.
>
> I read an article someone sent me a few days ago -- the chances of a
> heart attack are much greater during or immediately after a race than
> they are at other times. (Dehydration and stress hormones make the
> blood stickier and more prone to clotting, for one).
>
> However, people who run races are much less likely to get a heart
> attack than sedentary folks. I guess one way to interpret it is:
> you're less likely to die, but if you do, it'll be with your boots
> on...
At least with your running kicks on. ;)
-DF
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 01:03:08
From: anders
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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lanceandrew@aol.com wrote:
> i'm the same age as the dead fellow & wondering if i should be wearing
> a heart rate monitor as a simple precaution to sound an alarm if i am
> pushing into new territory. (...)
What particular data displayed by any existing HRM would you be able to
use as an alarm? Or would you just interpret a HR above certain
personal standard during a certain type of workout as a red stoplight?
I, too, would see the extreme usefulness of a HRM that would detect any
critical heart function abnormalities and sound an alarm in time - and
I believe such an alarm would be a true "killer app" in the market -,
but to my knowledge no manufacturer has yet dared to take even a very
early beta version of such a feature outside of the lab.
FWIW current high end HRMs with beat-to-beat measurement are capable of
recording enough "ECG accurate" data for heart specialists to find
*afterwards* that, for instance, the heart of a 30-year-old elite skier
who died during a ski marathon had functioned abnormally in the twenty
minutes preceeding his collapse in the tracks.
But it appears to be quite a long way still for an alarm system for
everyday use to arrive into the market.
Anders
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 11:18:19
From: gym.gravity
Subject: Re: pondering SF marathon death
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anders wrote:
> But it appears to be quite a long way still for an alarm system for
> everyday use to arrive into the market.
>
I would guess the oddball numbers on the monitor would be ignored as
interference. It happens so often (for me) that any real problem would
addressed by fidling with the chest strap, and keep on running until I
am away from the train tracks.
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