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Date: 15 Jul 2006 20:23:03
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Subject: chest pain uphill and difficulty breathing downhill
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HI all,
I am wondering if anyone else in the runnign community had similar
problems. I am 30 y.o., been active all my life, actually, crazy about
everything endurance and blood-in-the-mouth. Could do reasonably well
in running races (5:30 pace in a 5K, 6:00 pace in a 15K, top 5-10 in
local races, etc). I got a respiratory infection last winter, and have
developed difficulty breathing and chest pains when exercising. It's
especially prominent when running. Cycling and nordic skiing seem
milder on the body. So I don't run often anymore, but I do it every now
and then to find out how I am doing, only to discover that it hasn't
changed, or got worse.
Especially today. My normal run is a 45 min uphill on trails (~1500'
elev gain) followed by a return downhill. 5 min into the run I get
irritation in my lungs, chest pain and pain in the left side of the
neck. Perhaps I should stop, but I proceed anyway. After 30 min I get
used to the pain and it does not bother me as much. But when the
downhill starts, my lungs completely shut down. Like the body does not
have a reason to live once the uphill ends (or the adrenalin flow
stops?). I literally have to conciously move my diaphragm up and down
to keep breathing and to overcome the titghness in the lungs.
Docs suspect asthma, but none of the standard mediations help (been on
steroids for months). Cardio tests all came up negative (actually, I
set a record on a local cycling machine). Been tested for all sorts of
cr*p like cancer, AIDS, TB, etc.
I have taken a 3 month break from exercising, but it did not help at
all, I only got depressed. So I exercise anyway.
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 13:13:13
From: gr0tt0
Subject: Re: chest pain uphill and difficulty breathing downhill
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I defer to the dors for all things medical. But have you experimented by
slowing your pace just a bit? You are obviously a competitive spirit and I
wonder if you might be going out just a touch bit too fast for your body.
Try slowing your training pace by 10 seconds per mile and see if it has any
effect on your symptoms? If not, then you know it's probably something
else.
You might also consider a longer warmup ... or checking with an allergist.
Just remember you get what you pay for here.
Good luck.
<runcyclexcski@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153020183.804538.109960@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> HI all,
>
> I am wondering if anyone else in the runnign community had similar
> problems. I am 30 y.o., been active all my life, actually, crazy about
> everything endurance and blood-in-the-mouth. Could do reasonably well
> in running races (5:30 pace in a 5K, 6:00 pace in a 15K, top 5-10 in
> local races, etc). I got a respiratory infection last winter, and have
> developed difficulty breathing and chest pains when exercising. It's
> especially prominent when running. Cycling and nordic skiing seem
> milder on the body. So I don't run often anymore, but I do it every now
> and then to find out how I am doing, only to discover that it hasn't
> changed, or got worse.
>
> Especially today. My normal run is a 45 min uphill on trails (~1500'
> elev gain) followed by a return downhill. 5 min into the run I get
> irritation in my lungs, chest pain and pain in the left side of the
> neck. Perhaps I should stop, but I proceed anyway. After 30 min I get
> used to the pain and it does not bother me as much. But when the
> downhill starts, my lungs completely shut down. Like the body does not
> have a reason to live once the uphill ends (or the adrenalin flow
> stops?). I literally have to conciously move my diaphragm up and down
> to keep breathing and to overcome the titghness in the lungs.
>
> Docs suspect asthma, but none of the standard mediations help (been on
> steroids for months). Cardio tests all came up negative (actually, I
> set a record on a local cycling machine). Been tested for all sorts of
> cr*p like cancer, AIDS, TB, etc.
>
> I have taken a 3 month break from exercising, but it did not help at
> all, I only got depressed. So I exercise anyway.
>
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Date: 16 Jul 2006 19:08:58
From: Kaz Kylheku
Subject: Re: chest pain uphill and difficulty breathing downhill
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runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have taken a 3 month break from exercising, but it did not help at
> all, I only got depressed. So I exercise anyway.
Hmm. So so recap:
1. You suffered from a respiratory infection in the winter, which was
around 6 months ago.
2. In the six months since, you've had a three month break from
exercise.
3. You've been on medications such as steroids "for months".
4. You're trying to convince yourself that you haven't lost fitness by
pushing yourself through time trials to hit the old paces. But you're
probably /racing/ in order to make those targets.
So, of course that adds up to pain.
Am I wrong? Let's see:
"So I don't run often anymore, but I do it every now
and then to find out how I am doing, only to discover that it hasn't
changed, or got worse. "
Yeah, right!!! With all that time off, hasn't got worse? Major denial
there.
Do you take a split at the top of that hill where your breathing seems
to give out? Are you comparing that split to old times?
When you "do it every now and then to find out how I am doing", you are
not training. You are doing time trials to match or beat your old self.
But your old self laid those numbers down on a regular basis during
training, so the comparison isn't quite based in reality. If your old
self could look over his shoulder and see your current self struggling
to beat him, he could pick up the pace and kick that current self's
ass.
So maybe the health problems are in your head. Perhaps it's time to
declare yourself healthy, ditch the medications, regroup, and form a
reasonable training strategy. Sign up for some fall races, choose
realistic times, and set up a periodized training schedule where you
build up the old aerobic base, add in quality tempo work, and then
start the speedwork, etc.
Here is something else: what about diet? With the reduced exercise
volume, have you, by chance, been dieting to keep your weight and body
fat level down? If you want to go back to hard training, you have to go
back to eating also. You will be surprised how your attitude will
improve when you have a few good meals.
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Date: 17 Jul 2006 06:35:52
From: rick++
Subject: Re: chest pain uphill and difficulty breathing downhill
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Get to a dor immediately.
That kind of pain is abnormal in exercise.
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Date: 17 Jul 2006 11:01:46
From:
Subject: Re: chest pain uphill and difficulty breathing downhill
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I posted to this group, b/c I am hoping to find someone wth my sympotms
who trains regularly.
> When you "do it every now and then to find out how I am doing", you are
> not training. You are doing time trials to match or beat your old self.
> But your old self laid those numbers down on a regular basis during
> training, so the comparison isn't quite based in reality. If your old
> self could look over his shoulder and see your current self struggling
> to beat him, he could pick up the pace and kick that current self's
> ass.
Actually, except for that 3 mo off-time, I was training - cycling and
nordic skiing, about 10 hrs per week (less symptoms than when running).
I know exactly what you are saying about trying to beat my own self.
Well, I am not trying to do that, I am just trying to get to the top of
that hill at a pace that is 20% slower.
My leg muscles are just fine: I don't get any muscle pain after those
monthly check-up runs (despite that they are up the 1500 ft hill).
which tells me that I am phyically fit otherwise.
I've been racing for ~15 years, and I know my body reasonably well.
I've never experienced those symtoms with my lungs, and I've never had
my breathing be the limiting factor of my pace (those factors were my
legs and the pain in the liver; both could be killed controlled by
ibuprophen).
> Here is something else: what about diet? With the reduced exercise
> volume, have you, by chance, been dieting to keep your weight and body
> fat level down?
Again, no break in the exercise. I actually lost weight, making my docs
suspect cancer.
>Get to a dor immediately.
>That kind of pain is abnormal in exercise.
Getting the proper attention from a dor when you are 30 y.o. and can
keep spinning out 400W on a bike is tough. Impossible, I should say.
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