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Date: 08 Aug 2006 01:58:11
From: v4vijayakumar
Subject: be a left foot breather
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"be a left foot breather"
How significant is this, if it is not related to *stitches*? Does this
mean, breath out *everytime* your left foot strikes the ground?
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 09:11:45
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Subject: Re: be a left foot breather
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v4vijayakumar wrote:
> "be a left foot breather"
>
> How significant is this, if it is not related to *stitches*? Does this
> mean, breath out *everytime* your left foot strikes the ground?
In all my 27 years of running this is one of the silliest things I've
heard about breathing. There are folks who breath to their own steps
something like exhale two steps inhale three steps. I think that is
silly also but if it works for you who am I to try and correct you.
The reason I say rhythm breathing is silly is because breathing ease or
difficulty will vary from run to run. Trying to force yourself to
breath a certain way when your body can't do it is really bringing
yourself trouble. Also as you run your breath will become more
difficult with the miles. The easy breathing you did at the first mile
will not be the same as in the 8th mile. The runner who is flexible
will be better for it.
Breath in and out comfortably when running on flats and with moderate
exertion on the hills. End of story.
Andy
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 19:45:21
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: be a left foot breather
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<ishky@earthlink.net > wrote
>> How significant is this, if it is not related to *stitches*? Does this
>> mean, breath out *everytime* your left foot strikes the ground?
>
> In all my 27 years of running this is one of the silliest things I've
> heard about breathing. There are folks who breath to their own steps
> something like exhale two steps inhale three steps. I think that is
> silly also but if it works for you who am I to try and correct you.
Yeah, but...most elites run in step rhythm (per Daniels), and my fast
training buddies and I did too. Nearly always when I've been with or
observed a race leader, he has been in step breathing (I notice these
things). I've always step-breathed in *my* 27 year running career -- both
when young and fast and old and slow. So the fastest guys are voting with
their feet, so to speak, on this issue.
I've also seen research which says that it's slightly more efficient for the
diaphram to be in sync with steps. And that a ligament which holds the
liver in place is given more support when you exhale on the down beat --
this supposedly helps prevent stitches, something I've never suffered from.
I've experimented with "free breathing". When running hard I have
consciously tried to de-couple the breathing rhythm, and find that I get
diaphram pain (a diffuse solar-plexus discomfort) -- a very unpleasant
feeling.
As far as which foot to exhale on, that is a function of the breathing
rhythm. If I'm in 3-step (tempo run) rhythm in-in-out, the exhale switches
from foot to foot, but I notice that unconsciously I always complete the
exhale on foot contact.
Oh, and I never intend to step breathe -- it just happens naturally.
> The reason I say rhythm breathing is silly is because breathing ease or
> difficulty will vary from run to run. Trying to force yourself to
> breath a certain way when your body can't do it is really bringing
> yourself trouble.
As an expert rhythm breather, it changes with power requirements, without
thought. Today I did a 12 mile tempo run, and my warmup was 5-step, the
majority of the run in 3-step, and the hardest short climbs 2-step. In
addition to the step count, you can inhale more or less deeply. These two
variables give you a highly adjustable intake manifold.
> Also as you run your breath will become more
> difficult with the miles. The easy breathing you did at the first mile
> will not be the same as in the 8th mile. The runner who is flexible
> will be better for it.
>
> Breath in and out comfortably when running on flats and with moderate
> exertion on the hills. End of story.
I agree, do whatever feels best. If you can breathe comfortably at all
efforts independent of footfalls, more power to you...but note that the
fastest runners tend to step breathe.
-- Dan
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 20:07:56
From: Ozzie Gontang
Subject: Using Breathing Patterns while running Was: be a left foot breather
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In article <1155053505.431961.69380@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
ishky@earthlink.net wrote:
> v4vijayakumar wrote:
> > "be a left foot breather"
> >
> > How significant is this, if it is not related to *stitches*? Does this
> > mean, breath out *everytime* your left foot strikes the ground?
>
> In all my 27 years of running this is one of the silliest things I've
> heard about breathing. There are folks who breath to their own steps
> something like exhale two steps inhale three steps. I think that is
> silly also but if it works for you who am I to try and correct you.
>
> The reason I say rhythm breathing is silly is because breathing ease or
> difficulty will vary from run to run. Trying to force yourself to
> breath a certain way when your body can't do it is really bringing
> yourself trouble. Also as you run your breath will become more
> difficult with the miles. The easy breathing you did at the first mile
> will not be the same as in the 8th mile. The runner who is flexible
> will be better for it.
>
> Breath in and out comfortably when running on flats and with moderate
> exertion on the hills. End of story.
>
> Andy
Joining Dan Stumpus' thoughts I'd like to add this post from 1998
talking about Breathing Patterns. Hope it is helpful
Path: electriciti.com!gontang
From: gontang@electriciti.com (Ozzie Gontang)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: breathing method while running
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:22:19 -0800
Organization: Int'l Assn of Marathoners
In article <6c8tcq$o2g$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr >, <@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> I would appreciate any hints on the best way to breathe while jogging .
This post scrolled off a few days ago:
In article <6bfvq5$sjd$1@news.Eindhoven.NL.net >, Bor.Smits@net.HCC.nl
wrote:
> sscott@hgo.net (Stan Scott) wrote:\
> >Do long distance runners use any type of breating control? Like Long
> >deep breaths? Or is it just best to breath naturally? >Stan
>
> Just try to breath naturally.
> Try breathing through your nose only. When you are used to it you
> breathe as if sitting on your couch. Rob
Next to proper running form and style and an integral part of proper
running is breathing and the rhythms of breath.
Once good running form is achieved one can keep the same cadence and be
running 30 seconds to 2+ minutes a mile faster. The issue is getting the
leg through its cycle to touch the ground maintaining the same cadence.
This is where the concept of running is falling and catching oneself
gracefully.
To that end, breathing becomes the next important factor in maintaining
an
oxygen uptake to support the increased speed while maintaining the same
cadence turnover.
This is where I teach breathing at slower speeds to a 4 steps in and 4
to 8
steps out. The idea is that I am never panicked and that my breathing
sequences are always enough to sustain the rate of turnover...which
maintains at the same cadence be it a 9 or 10 minute mile or a 5 minute
or
better mile.
So running slow, I do a 4 in and 6 or 8..
Then as I need more air I go to a
4in/8out; 1 cycle of air every 12 steps 2 cycles every 24 steps
4in/7out; 1 cycle of air every 11 steps
4in/6out; 1 cycle of air every 10 steps
4in/5out; 1 cycle of air every 9 steps
4in/4out; 1 cycle of air every 8 steps 3 cycles every 24 steps
3in/4out; 1 cycle of air every 7 steps
3in/3out; 1 cycle of air every 6 steps 4 cycles every 24 steps
2in/3out; 1 cycle of air every 5 steps
2in/2out; 1 cycle of air every 4 steps 6 cycles every 24 steps
1in/2out; 1 cycle of air every 3 steps 8 cycles every 24 steps
1in/1out/1in/1out/2in/2out 9 cycles every 24 steps
1in/1out/1in/1out/1in/1out/1in/1out 12 cycles every 24 steps
The ideal one goes for is the same volume at all rhythms. Remember you're
always breathing though the nose even when the mouth is open...unless
your
nose is blocked, i.e. nasal congestion.
All of these patterns are breathed at a rate so that the mind stays calm
and does not let any of the body unnecessarily tighten up from a
perceived
stress beyond one's capability.
The other aspect of breathing cycles is that an even (symmetric)
breathing
pattern, which means when the steps in & steps out total an even number,
the runner is always running on the same foot at intake and also at
exhale.
With an odd (asymmetric) breathing pattern, which means when the steps
in &
steps out total an odd number, the runner is running off the opposite
foot
at initial intake step of each breathing cycle
in three steps/out four steps in three steps/our four steps
in-two-three out-two-three-four in-two-three out-two-three-four
LFT-2 - 3---Rt -two-three-four RT-two-three Lft-two-three-four
LFT-two-three...
L 2 3 4 5 6 7 R 2 3 4 5 6 7 L 2
3...
In animals there is a breathing pattern which is called phase locking.
It
has been photographed at high speeds in horses, cheetahs, ostriches where
at full speed there is one pattern into which they fall. In humans, if I
remember from the research, there were found two phase lock patterns at
top
speed. I have the research article somewhere in one of my files. I'll
see if I can dig it up.
So you can see if you breath 2in/2out all the time and we speed up you
can
only continue to do what you do. You only get 6 cycles of air every 24
steps. Whereas I can pick up the speed and get 8 cycles or even 9 cycles
of air every 24 steps...and if I practice I can get 10 or 12 cycles every
24 steps.
You may begin to realize that running a marathon during the later part of
the run from 15 onwards is a matter of running in a trance state. It is
through these breathing patterns I have taught people to play with the
rhythms of their breath to keep on going. So for someone whose muscles
are
glycogen depleted I need to maintain the same running pace but increase
the
amount of oxygen to those muscles...and that is where the breathing
patterns come in.
Some people begin to realize the power of rhythm. When I run with a
partner and we are doing symmetric breathing of 2in/2out or 3in/3out or
4in/4out, I do reciprocal breathing so that after 3 or 4 minutes as they
breathe out I am breathing in and as they breathe in I am breathing out.
The sound can be heard and the experience is that the other person's out
breath is breathing me and on the next cycle mine his/hers.
Eyes on the horizon, breathing reciprocally with my partner, the miles
covered in trance are an experience to remember.
When into the breathing and at different breathing patterns both
symmetric
and asymmetric and some being reciprocal, the breathing patterns of 3 or
4
or 5 of us mixed with the foot touch (rather than foot fall)can carry a
group of runners easily for miles where the mind scans the body to relax
any tension as it arises and lets it go...going back to the sound of the
feet running together and the breathe of the pack. If you've seen Stomp
you know the power of rhythm!
--
In health and on the run,
Ozzie Gontang
Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
(Mindful Running) http://www.mindfulness.com
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 15:13:17
From: manuel borowski
Subject: Re: Using Breathing Patterns while running Was: be a left foot breather
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Ozzie Gontang wrote:
> In article <1155053505.431961.69380@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> ishky@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> v4vijayakumar wrote:
>>> "be a left foot breather"
>>>
>>> How significant is this, if it is not related to *stitches*? Does this
>>> mean, breath out *everytime* your left foot strikes the ground?
>> In all my 27 years of running this is one of the silliest things I've
>> heard about breathing. There are folks who breath to their own steps
>> something like exhale two steps inhale three steps. I think that is
>> silly also but if it works for you who am I to try and correct you.
>>
>> The reason I say rhythm breathing is silly is because breathing ease or
>> difficulty will vary from run to run. Trying to force yourself to
>> breath a certain way when your body can't do it is really bringing
SNIP
It is related to side stitches. I've read a number of articles on it,
which made sense to me, and I tried it out. So, whenever I feel (right)
side stitches, I do a few passes with my left food hitting the ground
first while exhaling. It helps...
The cause of the stitches is most of the time a combination of too much
food in the stomach, inflated bowls (gas), inflexible diaphragm or...
Manuel
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 09:30:28
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: be a left foot breather
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Or better yet jogger, be a former breather.
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 06:20:38
From: John B.
Subject: Re: be a left foot breather
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v4vijayakumar wrote:
> "be a left foot breather"
>
> How significant is this, if it is not related to *stitches*? Does this
> mean, breath out *everytime* your left foot strikes the ground?
Well, there's one I've never heard. Let your breathing take care of
itself. You don't need to line it up with your foot or even think about
it.
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Date: 09 Aug 2006 15:22:24
From: Al Bundy
Subject: Re: be a left foot breather
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v4vijayakumar wrote:
> "be a left foot breather"
>
> How significant is this, if it is not related to *stitches*? Does this
> mean, breath out *everytime* your left foot strikes the ground?
Most people have a strong side. They naturally tend to breath out on
one side or the other predominantly. Maintaining this rhythm will
prevent stiches. When you breath out on one side some extra weight
comes down on that side too. You can switch sides to take some weight
off of an injury on one side. I suggest you do some research elsewhere
than this group.
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