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Date: 21 Jul 2006 00:54:16
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Subject: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
immediately appear and put me out of commission.
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Date: 21 Jul 2006 15:32:46
From: Michael
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1153468456.499552.131060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
> kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
> explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
> people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
> swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
> some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
> problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
> immediately appear and put me out of commission.
One thing you might try for shin splints is to pull some
resistance upward (a large rubber band, for example)
with your toe.
I used to tie a large band to the leg of my desk near the
floor and then pull up with my toe, using my heel as a
fulcrum.
You can probably find this exercise somewhere on the
web. For some people, it works like magic for shin splints.
Good luck.
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Date: 23 Jul 2006 05:15:47
From: Roger 2k
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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Michael wrote in message ...
>
><seatosummit28@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153468456.499552.131060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
>> kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
>> explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
>> people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
>> swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
>> some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
>> problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
>> immediately appear and put me out of commission.
>
>One thing you might try for shin splints is to pull some
>resistance upward (a large rubber band, for example)
>with your toe.
>
>I used to tie a large band to the leg of my desk near the
>floor and then pull up with my toe, using my heel as a
>fulcrum.
>
>You can probably find this exercise somewhere on the
>web. For some people, it works like magic for shin splints.
>
>Good luck.
I agree with the above for getting rid of "shin splints" but you might not
need anything else other than to try and raise your toe as high as you can.
I found a very steep hill where I would raise my toes as high as I could to
run up it. After doing the hill twice, about 40 - 50 seconds for the hill,
I wouldn't have the pain of "shin splints" for weeks. I still run that hill
and now I haven't had "shin splints" for years.
YMMV
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Date: 21 Jul 2006 05:04:54
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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a couple of things, did you get fitted properly and buy good shoes?
Are you trying to run every day or giving yourself some recovery time?
seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
> kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
> explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
> people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
> swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
> some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
> problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
> immediately appear and put me out of commission.
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Date: 22 Jul 2006 13:42:20
From: Donovan Rebbechi
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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On 2006-07-21, seatosummit28@yahoo.com <seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
> kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury.
Run slower, that will reduce the risk of injury. Don't worry about how long it
takes to complete the distance. If you stay uninjured for a while, your
fitness will improve.
What is your current weight and height ? If you're heavy (by running standards!),
then dropping some weight would also make you less injury prone.
As others pointed out, getting fitted for some appropriate footwear might also
help. It's not enough to wear running shoes, they need to be fitted to your
feet and your gait.
> explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
> people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
> swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
> some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
Staying uninjured is number one. Don't worry about how fast you're running,
you will get faster if you stay uninjured.
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Date: 22 Jul 2006 06:10:21
From: Al Bundy
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
> kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
> explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
> people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
> swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
> some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
> problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
> immediately appear and put me out of commission.
You may have reached your limit. It varies by the individual. Perhaps
it would be better to concentrate on the other sports and only do a bit
of running on the side. I have always wanted to be a pole vaulter. I
can visualise the run up, setting the pole, lifting and landing. That's
as far as it goes though. I'd be a flop at it, but running is fine for
me.
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Date: 23 Jul 2006 16:46:41
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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bluezfolk wrote:
> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
> > kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
> > explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
> > people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
> > swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
> > some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
> > problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
> > immediately appear and put me out of commission.
>
>
> I've been at this since 1982 and I'm still slow, but I do enjoy it.
> Maybe you shouldn't go more than 45 minutes at a time. Its possible a
> softer surface might help, got any parks nearby?
>
>
> Eric
Actually, I'm running on sawdust most of the time. I think my problem
is that I'm too intense and it is too easy to over do it. I even over
do it swimming because I can get really bad cramps in my calves which
take days to recover from. As well, I can over tire myself by swimming
with too much intensity so that it takes days to recover. I think I
have to slow down in all my activities and do a lot more low and medium
intensity stuff. I find low intensity activity very boring . Another
indication of my intensity is that I can go on a 24 hr hike by myself
and go full-out with dehydration and exhaustion.
I definitely try to run slow. I'm progessing at the pace of a glacier.
I guess the key is to avoid injuries. even a minor injury can take a
month to recover from and get back to where you were before injury.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:17:53
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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On 23 Jul 2006 16:46:41 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>Actually, I'm running on sawdust most of the time. I think my problem
>is that I'm too intense and it is too easy to over do it.
I'm impressed, this time you went 3 days before you inevitably
mentioned your "intensity".
Any progress on that Heart Rate Monitor I suggested ?
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Date: 23 Jul 2006 15:59:48
From: bluezfolk
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
> kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
> explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
> people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
> swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
> some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
> problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
> immediately appear and put me out of commission.
I've been at this since 1982 and I'm still slow, but I do enjoy it.
Maybe you shouldn't go more than 45 minutes at a time. Its possible a
softer surface might help, got any parks nearby?
Eric
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 14:08:37
From: thehick
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
...
> I have a heart rate monitor but I was told that the higher my heart
> rate the better my conditioning. I can have a heart rate of 160 and not
> be out of breath. I'm using oxygen efficiently or something. I dont see
> how heart rate can be a good guide if this is true.
does anyone actually find this puerile writing funny? i'll suggest
that you lean a bit more to the real and slip in a few zingers
once in a while. that'll suck more of the lurkers in.
...thehick
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 13:31:53
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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Dominic Shields wrote:
> On 23 Jul 2006 16:46:41 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >Actually, I'm running on sawdust most of the time. I think my problem
> >is that I'm too intense and it is too easy to over do it.
>
> I'm impressed, this time you went 3 days before you inevitably
> mentioned your "intensity".
>
> Any progress on that Heart Rate Monitor I suggested ?
I have a heart rate monitor but I was told that the higher my heart
rate the better my conditioning. I can have a heart rate of 160 and not
be out of breath. I'm using oxygen efficiently or something. I dont see
how heart rate can be a good guide if this is true.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 23:20:28
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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On 24 Jul 2006 13:31:53 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Dominic Shields wrote:
>> On 23 Jul 2006 16:46:41 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >Actually, I'm running on sawdust most of the time. I think my problem
>> >is that I'm too intense and it is too easy to over do it.
>>
>> I'm impressed, this time you went 3 days before you inevitably
>> mentioned your "intensity".
>>
>> Any progress on that Heart Rate Monitor I suggested ?
>
>I have a heart rate monitor but I was told that the higher my heart
>rate the better my conditioning. I can have a heart rate of 160 and not
>be out of breath. I'm using oxygen efficiently or something. I dont see
>how heart rate can be a good guide if this is true.
Have a read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate
So lets recap, you have previously said that you typically run 5Km in
35 minutes which is a gentle pace by anyone's standards, what would
your average heart rate be for this entire activity ?
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 00:52:49
From: bj
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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"Dominic Shields" <dom@dshields.demon.co.uk > wrote in message
news:dlhac2tm290sscc9moflhcmen1i003n907@4ax.com...
> you typically run 5Km in
> 35 minutes which is a gentle pace by anyone's standards,
No it's not.
Some of us older folk find that a bit more than "gentle" .
bj
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 20:17:40
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:52:49 GMT, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net >
wrote:
>"Dominic Shields" <dom@dshields.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:dlhac2tm290sscc9moflhcmen1i003n907@4ax.com...
>> you typically run 5Km in
>> 35 minutes which is a gentle pace by anyone's standards,
>
>No it's not.
>Some of us older folk find that a bit more than "gentle" .
>bj
Apologies, I tried it earlier as detailed in another post, a sobering
thought to contemplate because I'll be older folk one day.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 01:21:17
From: bj
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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"Dominic Shields" <dom@dshields.demon.co.uk > wrote in message
news:lgrcc253l9619srl3evqc7nqhecv1g4pa1@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:52:49 GMT, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Dominic Shields" <dom@dshields.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:dlhac2tm290sscc9moflhcmen1i003n907@4ax.com...
>>> you typically run 5Km in
>>> 35 minutes which is a gentle pace by anyone's standards,
>>
>>No it's not.
>>Some of us older folk find that a bit more than "gentle" .
>>bj
>
> Apologies, I tried it earlier as detailed in another post, a sobering
> thought to contemplate because I'll be older folk one day.
I'm only medium-older. My sub-30 5k is a few years behind me, though I can
still usually crank out <35. What I can do, though, is keep going at a
decent pace -- I don't yet have to give up thoughts of longer races (10k,
5-10 mi, even 1/2M occasionally if the conditions & the stars & my body are
in the right synch.)
bj
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 11:31:36
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153773113.767059.325610@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I have a heart rate monitor but I was told that the higher my heart
> rate the better my conditioning. I can have a heart rate of 160 and
> not
> be out of breath. I'm using oxygen efficiently or something. I dont
> see
> how heart rate can be a good guide if this is true.
You say your here to learn but every reasonable suggestion is tossed
aside cuz "you're different and they don't apply." It seems apparent
from what you tell us, what are doing isn't working. With your sense of
reasoning plan to remain in your conundrum forever.
-DF
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 02:02:24
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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i have a sophisticated dark sense of humour. I'm here to learn about
running not joke around, though.
thehick wrote:
> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> ...
> > I have a heart rate monitor but I was told that the higher my heart
> > rate the better my conditioning. I can have a heart rate of 160 and not
> > be out of breath. I'm using oxygen efficiently or something. I dont see
> > how heart rate can be a good guide if this is true.
> does anyone actually find this puerile writing funny? i'll suggest
> that you lean a bit more to the real and slip in a few zingers
> once in a while. that'll suck more of the lurkers in.
> ...thehick
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 01:59:42
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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I have not taken my pulse lately. I used to run 5kms in 30 minutes
with a pulse of 160.
I was doing a lot of mountain climbing at the time so I had strong
lungs. I was told that when you are well trained , you dont create a
lot of carbon dioxide in the blood so you dont need to breath as much.
The brain measures the amount of carbon dioxide in the blood and sets
the breathing rate to eliminate the carbon dioxide. I dont know if that
makes sense because if I'm so efficient why do I need a high pulse
rate.
This is what the guy said:
" > my pulse get up to 160 while running but I'm not huffing or
puffing.
> I'm not breathing heavily at all.
It's like this. Your breathing rate is only indirectly related to
demand for oxygen.
What triggers heavy breathing are sensors in the brain which respond to
very slight increases in blood acidity.
See? The sensors don't measure oxygen, but acid. If you stop
breathing, then carbon dioxide piles up in your blood. Dissolved carbon
dioxide is acidic. Breathing is triggered to eliminate that carbon
dioxide.
If you actually spend time an atmosphere where there isn't enough
oxygen, what will happen is that you may well just black out without
ever noticing that there isn't enough oxygen. This is a real danger in
certain environments, like mines, caves, or the hulls of steel tanker
ships. Rusting steel consumes oxygen, so the insides of steel
containers can contain an atmosphere that is depleted of oxygen. Mines
and caves can contain gases like carbon dioxide that push out oxygen.
Go into these spaces without a breathing apparatus and you will just
gradually lose consciousness without any warning and then die.
Now about that acid: those sensors don't care what kind of acid they
are responding to. It could be carbonate, or it could be lactate! In
the case of lactate, there is nothing to breathe out. You won't
asphyxiate from an accumulation of lactate in your blood. It can
happily coexist with plenty of oxygen going to your brain and
elsewhere.
So what you are seeing is the fact that you are well-trained. In spite
of the athletic effort, your body is able to keep the blood acidity
down. And to some extent, you have probably trained yourself not to
overract to those acidity sensors; you can ignore their demand to
breathe faster and breathe just enough to meet your actual respiration
demands, because your body has learned that those sensors don't
actually report the need for oxygen. You can ignore the discomfort of
the breathing urge that they cause.
Untrained people hyperventilate even after a small running effort,
because they can't clear the lactic acid. Their brains react to the
tiny increase in acidity, leading to heavy breathing. But that
breathing doesn't actually bring in any more oxygen than slower
breathing; with each gasp they are probably breathing out air that has
nearly as much oxygen as what went in.
This spring I was cranking out my 20 mile marathon training runs at
close to 7:00 pace, yet by about halfway through, settling into a
comfortable stride, I was only breathing once per 32 steps!!! IN 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 OUT 2 3 4 5 ... 16. Crazy.
I was joking to myself about how if I keep going at this rate, I will
eventually wean myself off that life-long oxygen addiction. I will just
say no, ditch that oxygen monkey off my back once and for all and be
free. :) :) :) "
Dominic Shields wrote:
> On 24 Jul 2006 13:31:53 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Dominic Shields wrote:
> >> On 23 Jul 2006 16:46:41 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >Actually, I'm running on sawdust most of the time. I think my problem
> >> >is that I'm too intense and it is too easy to over do it.
> >>
> >> I'm impressed, this time you went 3 days before you inevitably
> >> mentioned your "intensity".
> >>
> >> Any progress on that Heart Rate Monitor I suggested ?
> >
> >I have a heart rate monitor but I was told that the higher my heart
> >rate the better my conditioning. I can have a heart rate of 160 and not
> >be out of breath. I'm using oxygen efficiently or something. I dont see
> >how heart rate can be a good guide if this is true.
>
> Have a read
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate
>
> So lets recap, you have previously said that you typically run 5Km in
> 35 minutes which is a gentle pace by anyone's standards, what would
> your average heart rate be for this entire activity ?
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 20:16:19
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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On 25 Jul 2006 01:59:42 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>I have not taken my pulse lately. I used to run 5kms in 30 minutes
>with a pulse of 160.
>I was doing a lot of mountain climbing at the time so I had strong
>lungs. I was told that when you are well trained , you dont create a
>lot of carbon dioxide in the blood so you dont need to breath as much.
>The brain measures the amount of carbon dioxide in the blood and sets
>the breathing rate to eliminate the carbon dioxide. I dont know if that
>makes sense because if I'm so efficient why do I need a high pulse
>rate.
No I don't think any of it makes sense - what age are you ? What
height and weight are you ?
I'm 41 so my age-related HR Max is (depending on which formula you
use) about 178. I work on the principle that I'm pretty much like
anyone else and sure enough in races when I'm trying hard (6:30 to
6:45 minute mile pace over 10K) my HR is in the mid 160s rising to
about my max in a sprint to the finish.
I just don't believe the idea that you average 160 BPM in the course
of running 5 KM in 35 minutes. I expected your reply so earlier I
worked out that this equates to 5.33 MPH or 8.57 KPH then went to the
gym, put on a heart rate monitor and set the treadmill to 8.6 KPH.
Before I started moving my heart rate was 68, I speed-walked/slow
trotted at 8.6 KPH for 15 minutes and at by the end my heart rate was
116, the highest reading I saw was 118.
I have been running since August 2005, I'm by no means super-fit but
what I did above barely counts as exercise so I think something
doesn't add up about what you are saying.
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 18:21:57
From: Kaz Kylheku
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> It's like this. Your breathing rate is only indirectly related to
> demand for oxygen.
>
> What triggers heavy breathing are sensors in the brain which respond to
>
> very slight increases in blood acidity.
Damn, that sounds familiar!
I know why: I wrote it!
Message ID 1132702039.386397.148060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.running/msg/e9a28fcf849b9bd8?dmode=source
What a fucking plagiarist!
[ snip, my writing, all of it ]
> This spring I was cranking out my 20 mile marathon training runs at
> close to 7:00 pace, yet by about halfway through, settling into a
> comfortable stride, I was only breathing once per 32 steps!!! IN 2 3
> 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 OUT 2 3 4 5 ... 16. Crazy.
Guess who?
> I was joking to myself about how if I keep going at this rate, I will
> eventually wean myself off that life-long oxygen addiction. I will just
>
> say no, ditch that oxygen monkey off my back once and for all and be
> free. :) :) :) "
My joke.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 10:20:56
From: Kaz Kylheku
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> Makes me think you are bullshit artist.
Sorry, I don't think we have anything in common, let alone that.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 01:04:43
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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I think Im the victim of a joke by Kaz Kylheku . He even admits that it
is his post. He's clearly a dirty swine trying to sabotage me. I'm
going back to my heart rate monitor.
I should have got suspicious when he went on and on about irrelevant
crap like rust in containers and people dying of oxygen deprivation.
Doug Freese wrote:
> <seatosummit28@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153773113.767059.325610@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > I have a heart rate monitor but I was told that the higher my heart
> > rate the better my conditioning. I can have a heart rate of 160 and
> > not
> > be out of breath. I'm using oxygen efficiently or something. I dont
> > see
> > how heart rate can be a good guide if this is true.
>
> You say your here to learn but every reasonable suggestion is tossed
> aside cuz "you're different and they don't apply." It seems apparent
> from what you tell us, what are doing isn't working. With your sense of
> reasoning plan to remain in your conundrum forever.
>
> -DF
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 20:36:01
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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On 26 Jul 2006 01:04:43 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>I think Im the victim of a joke by Kaz Kylheku . He even admits that it
>is his post. He's clearly a dirty swine trying to sabotage me. I'm
>going back to my heart rate monitor.
>I should have got suspicious when he went on and on about irrelevant
>crap like rust in containers and people dying of oxygen deprivation.
Remember that link explaining Heart Rate from Wikipedia ?
Lets have another go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 00:56:17
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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, 42 yrs, 5 ft 9 in, 170 lbs.Seems like you are just showing off. I'll
have to take my heart rate next time I run. My pulse was 140 when I was
climbing a steep mountain yesterday . It was an unusually hot day. I
was huffing and puffing. My main problem is my lower shins hurting. I'm
wondering if mountain climbing might help my shins. I spend so much
time injured no wonder i dont improve. thanks for your help.
Dominic Shields wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2006 01:59:42 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >I have not taken my pulse lately. I used to run 5kms in 30 minutes
> >with a pulse of 160.
> >I was doing a lot of mountain climbing at the time so I had strong
> >lungs. I was told that when you are well trained , you dont create a
> >lot of carbon dioxide in the blood so you dont need to breath as much.
> >The brain measures the amount of carbon dioxide in the blood and sets
> >the breathing rate to eliminate the carbon dioxide. I dont know if that
> >makes sense because if I'm so efficient why do I need a high pulse
> >rate.
>
> No I don't think any of it makes sense - what age are you ? What
> height and weight are you ?
>
> I'm 41 so my age-related HR Max is (depending on which formula you
> use) about 178. I work on the principle that I'm pretty much like
> anyone else and sure enough in races when I'm trying hard (6:30 to
> 6:45 minute mile pace over 10K) my HR is in the mid 160s rising to
> about my max in a sprint to the finish.
>
> I just don't believe the idea that you average 160 BPM in the course
> of running 5 KM in 35 minutes. I expected your reply so earlier I
> worked out that this equates to 5.33 MPH or 8.57 KPH then went to the
> gym, put on a heart rate monitor and set the treadmill to 8.6 KPH.
> Before I started moving my heart rate was 68, I speed-walked/slow
> trotted at 8.6 KPH for 15 minutes and at by the end my heart rate was
> 116, the highest reading I saw was 118.
> I have been running since August 2005, I'm by no means super-fit but
> what I did above barely counts as exercise so I think something
> doesn't add up about what you are saying.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 13:48:21
From: bj
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153900576.952986.246120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>My main problem is my lower shins hurting. I'm
> wondering if mountain climbing might help my shins. I spend so much
> time injured no wonder i dont improve. thanks for your help.
>
Have you consulted (or considered consulting) a dor about what your
particular problem is? or perhaps seen a physical therapist for some
instruction in the right exercises for what ails you?
Sometimes what we think is wrong isn't -- it's something else entirely, &
the solution can be very different from what we thought it'd be or what we'd
been doing or considering.
I went to the dor when my leg was bothering me. Turned out to be my back,
& a few specific exercises helped it out within a few days.
bj
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 20:33:42
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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On 26 Jul 2006 00:56:17 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>, 42 yrs, 5 ft 9 in, 170 lbs.Seems like you are just showing off.
Err no, you misunderstand what I would think of as "showing off", that
would be me claiming to run at 4:30 to 4:45 minute mile pace and on
the treadmill test I recounted for my heart rate to have peaked at 80.
I regularly enter races where my puny abilities are seen to be just
that. I ran a 7 mile hill race a couple of weeks ago, the winner took
37:08 then reputedly annoyed at not breaking the course record,
immediately ran it again - that 's my definition of showing off.
>I'll
>have to take my heart rate next time I run. My pulse was 140 when I was
>climbing a steep mountain yesterday
That is far more credible.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 00:43:50
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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It was in quotations. We were discussing if it made sense. Not sure why
you put all that irrelevant stuff about rust in your post. Makes me
think you are bullshit artist.
I think both the heart rate and breathing would be lower for a well
trained individual.
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> > It's like this. Your breathing rate is only indirectly related to
> > demand for oxygen.
> >
> > What triggers heavy breathing are sensors in the brain which respond to
> >
> > very slight increases in blood acidity.
>
> Damn, that sounds familiar!
>
> I know why: I wrote it!
>
> Message ID 1132702039.386397.148060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.running/msg/e9a28fcf849b9bd8?dmode=source
>
> What a fucking plagiarist!
>
> [ snip, my writing, all of it ]
>
> > This spring I was cranking out my 20 mile marathon training runs at
> > close to 7:00 pace, yet by about halfway through, settling into a
> > comfortable stride, I was only breathing once per 32 steps!!! IN 2 3
> > 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 OUT 2 3 4 5 ... 16. Crazy.
>
> Guess who?
>
> > I was joking to myself about how if I keep going at this rate, I will
> > eventually wean myself off that life-long oxygen addiction. I will just
> >
> > say no, ditch that oxygen monkey off my back once and for all and be
> > free. :) :) :) "
>
> My joke.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 19:35:42
From:
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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Thanks for the link. I just ran about 7 kms in 50 minutes. I was
running at about 6 min 30 seconds per km. First couple of kilometers I
was between 146 and 148. No huffing or puffing. As the run progressed
my heart rate was 152 on flat areas. There were some long hills where I
was at 160. I was definitely huffing and puffing at 160. As I ran
gently down a long incline at the end of run, my pulse was 140 and the
breathing was very easy. I guess I am out of shape. I'm always injured
and dont do many mountain climbs lately. My shins seemed in good shape.
My entire calf felt good. I'm beginning to think hiking is good for my
calves.
Dominic Shields wrote:
> On 26 Jul 2006 01:04:43 -0700, seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >I think Im the victim of a joke by Kaz Kylheku . He even admits that it
> >is his post. He's clearly a dirty swine trying to sabotage me. I'm
> >going back to my heart rate monitor.
> >I should have got suspicious when he went on and on about irrelevant
> >crap like rust in containers and people dying of oxygen deprivation.
>
> Remember that link explaining Heart Rate from Wikipedia ?
>
> Lets have another go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 13:13:58
From: DspNews
Subject: Re: anybody fortyish and cant learn to run? ive been at it 18 months.
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I am a newbe and I started running at 39, just about one year back and have
been improving gradually.
I ran my first 10K race 1 hour 3 min last year.
This year I did 29:40 in a 4 mile race and 47:30 in a 10K race.
I did not expect to do as well as I did.
My training speed is slower based on distances I run (8+min/mi for 5 mile
runs to 10 min/mi for 10 miles) .
But I don't give full credit to just one year of my running.
I had been a serious walker for more than 5 years before I started running.
Also have been doing weight training for many more years.
Now I am fully focused on running, cutting down weight training and walking.
My kayaking took the biggest hit, from several days a week to almost none
this summer.
I have been very patient in increasing my distance and speed very gradually.
I am almost pain free since I started stretching after my runs.
Also read books written by experts such as Bill Rodgers, Burfoot and Jeff
Galloway.
I believe the success comes with patience, motivation, following experts'
advice and overall fitness.
srb
<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153468456.499552.131060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Its bloody amazing .Ive been trying for 18 months and can only run 7
kms in 50 minutes without inviting injury. Some of my injuries were
explainable but it seems insane when I compare my progress to other
people. I have to up my distance so gradually it is almost useless. my
swimming, hiking, mountain biking, kayaking is going fine. Is there
some hump I have to get over and then I will start improving faster? My
problem is shin splints. If I up my distance too much , they will
immediately appear and put me out of commission.
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