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Date: 28 Jun 2006 14:20:42
From: Tony S.
Subject: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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They suck, no pun intended. Why does product design often go so backwards!
I've used ultimate direction products for years, and love their old style
bottles because they never leak and they're pretty easy to open and close.
Along comes their new style (last year I think) which I saw and wondered how
they were. Now I got a new UD carrier (solitaire) because it came with a
slightly bigger bottle (26oz). The new style doesn't leak still, but it's
harder to open and close, and air doesn't go back into it fast enough so you
have to pinch the nipple and wait for it - definitely a step backwards.
Luckily the old style top fits this bottle too.
Aside from the bottle, the pack is great because it has just the right
amount of cargo space for a longer race, or for other stuff (holds a cell
phone with lots of room to spare for training), and it fits my 1 liter zefal
bike bottles also, which is perfect!
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/product.aspx?baseno=82907
-Tony
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 06:09:41
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Tony S. wrote:
> They suck, no pun intended. Why does product design often go so backwards!
Chuckle.
> I've used ultimate direction products for years, and love their old style
> bottles because they never leak and they're pretty easy to open and close.
You're lucky. Several others, including me, have UD bottles that leak at
the threads. I've wondered if the tops have to stay with their original
bottoms, whereas I tend to grab one of each. Too late now.
> Along comes their new style (last year I think) which I saw and wondered how
> they were. Now I got a new UD carrier (solitaire) because it came with a
> slightly bigger bottle (26oz). The new style doesn't leak still, but it's
> harder to open and close, and air doesn't go back into it fast enough so you
> have to pinch the nipple and wait for it - definitely a step backwards.
> Luckily the old style top fits this bottle too.
I bought one about a year ago since I'd heard how great the nipple tops
were. The first time I used a full bottle, I almost drowned, the water
came out so fast. Not so when it's depleted a bit. I really struggle at
the end of the bottle.
And after the air does finally go back in, you have to get it out again
to get fluid. I tried leaving it in squished state for awhile, but then
it doesn't fit the holders.
This is part of what I'm referring to when I say I'm not talented enough
to use bottles and trail run. Bladders are so much easier.
When I do use a bottle now for 1-2 hr runs, I use a 24-oz (I think) REI
bottle. It's got a traditional nozzle, but it's twice as wide as UD's
old ones - more flow, less chance of freezing, and I think the design is
simpler.
The Strider waist pack still works well for me. When I've got a shell
wrapped around my waist, getting tangled with my bottle in back (I said
I wasn't talented), I can wear it on the other hip so the bottle's in
front - where even *I* can get at it. Ya really need a video of me
trying to use waist packs and bottles while running.
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 14:08:17
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote in message
news:F8Kog.274101$Fs1.102951@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Tony S. wrote:
> > They suck, no pun intended. Why does product design often go so
backwards!
>
> Chuckle.
>
> > I've used ultimate direction products for years, and love their old
style
> > bottles because they never leak and they're pretty easy to open and
close.
>
> You're lucky. Several others, including me, have UD bottles that leak at
> the threads. I've wondered if the tops have to stay with their original
> bottoms, whereas I tend to grab one of each. Too late now.
That's true, if you mix bottle and top, they tend to leak. Also, I had to
trim minor imperfections in the plastic with a razor to get a couple of them
to seal completely. Come to think of it, 1 (of 6) leaks a tiny bit at the
valve also...
> > Along comes their new style (last year I think) which I saw and wondered
how
> > they were. Now I got a new UD carrier (solitaire) because it came with a
> > slightly bigger bottle (26oz). The new style doesn't leak still, but
it's
> > harder to open and close, and air doesn't go back into it fast enough so
you
> > have to pinch the nipple and wait for it - definitely a step backwards.
> > Luckily the old style top fits this bottle too.
>
> I bought one about a year ago since I'd heard how great the nipple tops
> were. The first time I used a full bottle, I almost drowned, the water
> came out so fast. Not so when it's depleted a bit. I really struggle at
> the end of the bottle.
>
> And after the air does finally go back in, you have to get it out again
> to get fluid. I tried leaving it in squished state for awhile, but then
> it doesn't fit the holders.
Exactly, what fool in R&D there overlooked the need for air to go back in.
> This is part of what I'm referring to when I say I'm not talented enough
> to use bottles and trail run. Bladders are so much easier.
I have 4 big issues with bladders:
1) you don't know when you're getting low, they just run out.
2) they really are a pain to clean after using sports drink
3) when not wearing a shirt (maybe not your prob) they chafe badly
4) I forgot but i swear there was another
> When I do use a bottle now for 1-2 hr runs, I use a 24-oz (I think) REI
> bottle. It's got a traditional nozzle, but it's twice as wide as UD's
> old ones - more flow, less chance of freezing, and I think the design is
> simpler.
I'll have a look at those someday (unless they "improve" the design ;-(, but
the UD's have plenty of flow for me.
> The Strider waist pack still works well for me. When I've got a shell
> wrapped around my waist, getting tangled with my bottle in back (I said
> I wasn't talented), I can wear it on the other hip so the bottle's in
> front - where even *I* can get at it. Ya really need a video of me
> trying to use waist packs and bottles while running.
lol you're not the only one. last year I used a twin bottle carrier quite a
bit (2x20oz), and I had an extra strap on it to keep them tight to the back,
which had me cursing at times trying to get the damn bottle back in! I much
prefer one bigger bottle for races though, as it's faster just to fill one
than to stand there wondering if you need to fill 2, and then if you decide
yes, waiting longer... A liter will get me a ways in training depending on
the heat of course. In my Mt Grelock race, I got plain water at the last aid
station and filled the bottle, most of which I used to douse myself over the
next mile.
Ideally for long runs I'd love one that holds 3 liter-sized bottles
horizontally, curving to fit into the lower back. That would solve all of my
above problems with bladders. Plus, one could be plain water, a nice option
if you're stopping for a snack at lunchtime.
-Tony
> Dot
> --
> "Success is different things to different people"
> -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 19:41:30
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Tony S. wrote:
> "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> news:F8Kog.274101$Fs1.102951@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> I have 4 big issues with bladders:
> 1) you don't know when you're getting low, they just run out.
I can usually tell by the loss of weight in the pack, although my "feel"
for it is off now that I'm carrying more fluid for long runs. Still had
plenty left yesterday when it was noticeably lighter (80 oz down to
maybe 30 oz, although I haven't measured the remainder yet). Toward the
last few ounces, it sometimes seems to get a little air, and I'll know I
may have only one "dose" left. Sometimes I've gotten false signals.
(Note: this doesn't work if doing field work, and I'm carrying stakes in
the pack, and pounding them in the ground every few minutes.;) ) But
I've also sucked a bottle almost dry in winter when I wasn't paying that
much attention - heck, fluid's not important in winter, right ;) (yes,
I'm being very facetious with that remark)
> 2) they really are a pain to clean after using sports drink
I just rinse 3 times, same as if I'd used water. Every few months I
clean with some sort of solution. Admittedly the mouth pieces are hard
to clean. Yes, it takes longer than 1 bottle, but probably not that much
longer than 3 bottles - the number of 20-oz bottles needed for 60 oz.
> 3) when not wearing a shirt (maybe not your prob) they chafe badly
nope - definitely not a problem for me ;)
> 4) I forgot but i swear there was another
>
:)
What I like most about the bladders - and the main reasons I use them -
is the ease of using the tube as well as carrying capacity for gear plus
being more comfortable with backpacks than waist packs (even hiking
decades ago).
What amazes me, though, is that some of these companies have runners or
adventure racers or whatever help in their designs. Why hasn't anyone
come up with the perfect pack yet?;) At the very least, most are too
short with waist belts way too high. These probably work ok for mt
bikers, but the UD ones are supposed to be for runners. There always
seems to be shortcomings in the designs, regardless of brand or model.
Admittedly, there's a few things that I've understood better after I've
used them awhile. A couple tweaks (longer pack so waist belt is lower
and separate compartment for bladder) to my current Gregory Reactor
would be really nice.
>
>>The Strider waist pack still works well for me. When I've got a shell
>>wrapped around my waist, getting tangled with my bottle in back (I said
>>I wasn't talented), I can wear it on the other hip so the bottle's in
>>front - where even *I* can get at it. Ya really need a video of me
>>trying to use waist packs and bottles while running.
>
>
> lol you're not the only one. last year I used a twin bottle carrier quite a
> bit (2x20oz), and I had an extra strap on it to keep them tight to the back,
> which had me cursing at times trying to get the damn bottle back in! I much
> prefer one bigger bottle for races though, as it's faster just to fill one
> than to stand there wondering if you need to fill 2,
Many of my waist packs are 2 bottles - partly thinking that I can run 1
hr without carrying fluid, but at 20oz/hr (est) in summer, 1 bottle
isn't adequate for anything. And the 2 bottle packs are vertical or
slight angle, so they hit me in butt and bounce when running. The
Strider is angled, so it fits small of back. I've found the 24 oz bottle
works ok for me in the 1-1.5 hr (cooler 2 hr) range where I don't want
to carry the kitchen sink. It'll work for 1.5-2 hr in winter. But I'm
almost always in deficit, esp. in winter, for any of those runs and need
to really rehydrate well right afterwards. For longer runs, I want more
gear anyway so it's somewhat academic.
and then if you decide
> yes, waiting longer... A liter will get me a ways in training depending on
> the heat of course. In my Mt Grelock race, I got plain water at the last aid
> station and filled the bottle, most of which I used to douse myself over the
> next mile.
I'm considering 2 bladders eventually - one while chemicals are working
for purification on long runs since we don't have aid stations.
>
> Ideally for long runs I'd love one that holds 3 liter-sized bottles
> horizontally, curving to fit into the lower back. That would solve all of my
> above problems with bladders. Plus, one could be plain water, a nice option
> if you're stopping for a snack at lunchtime.
I think it's amphipod has some bottles that are shaped to fit body, but
I don't think they're fairly small. I can't remember where I saw it
recently online, but I think I've seen some, maybe not waist only, but
had bottles attached in various places, but don't remember the size.
That's a lot of fluid to be hanging off waist, although I think I've
seen some setups where they use a suspender-like rig. Some people use
backpacks but carry bottles in them.
Dot
who next time may think about using sunscreen on winter-white legs (4+
hr in shorts in sun above tree line)
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 29 Jun 2006 22:26:24
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote in message
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> Tony S. wrote:
> > "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> > news:F8Kog.274101$Fs1.102951@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > I have 4 big issues with bladders:
> > 1) you don't know when you're getting low, they just run out.
>
> I can usually tell by the loss of weight in the pack, although my "feel"
> for it is off now that I'm carrying more fluid for long runs. Still had
> plenty left yesterday when it was noticeably lighter (80 oz down to
> maybe 30 oz, although I haven't measured the remainder yet). Toward the
> last few ounces, it sometimes seems to get a little air, and I'll know I
> may have only one "dose" left. Sometimes I've gotten false signals.
> (Note: this doesn't work if doing field work, and I'm carrying stakes in
> the pack, and pounding them in the ground every few minutes.;) ) But
> I've also sucked a bottle almost dry in winter when I wasn't paying that
> much attention - heck, fluid's not important in winter, right ;) (yes,
> I'm being very facetious with that remark)
I guess that's not such a big deal, but at times I would ration if I knew
better how low I was. I *have* run out several times on long hot summer
runs. Normally now I stash an extra bottle when using a bladder for when I
do run out.
> > 2) they really are a pain to clean after using sports drink
>
> I just rinse 3 times, same as if I'd used water. Every few months I
> clean with some sort of solution. Admittedly the mouth pieces are hard
> to clean. Yes, it takes longer than 1 bottle, but probably not that much
> longer than 3 bottles - the number of 20-oz bottles needed for 60 oz.
Hmm, I can wash the small bottles pretty fast. Accelerade sticks and leaves
residue inside the bottles and bladder and especially inside the tube a bit.
Also, since I don't use bladders all that often, I like to dry them out
completely to store them, which can be a hassle in the humid northeast USA,
just another reason I tend to use them infrequently.
> > 3) when not wearing a shirt (maybe not your prob) they chafe badly
>
> nope - definitely not a problem for me ;)
>
>
> > 4) I forgot but i swear there was another
> >
> :)
>
> What I like most about the bladders - and the main reasons I use them -
> is the ease of using the tube as well as carrying capacity for gear plus
> being more comfortable with backpacks than waist packs (even hiking
> decades ago).
You're right about this. Anything more than a single-bottle waistpack is
awkward when full.
> What amazes me, though, is that some of these companies have runners or
> adventure racers or whatever help in their designs. Why hasn't anyone
> come up with the perfect pack yet?;) At the very least, most are too
> short with waist belts way too high. These probably work ok for mt
> bikers, but the UD ones are supposed to be for runners. There always
> seems to be shortcomings in the designs, regardless of brand or model.
> Admittedly, there's a few things that I've understood better after I've
> used them awhile. A couple tweaks (longer pack so waist belt is lower
> and separate compartment for bladder) to my current Gregory Reactor
> would be really nice.
That's very true, ideally they should ride on the hips and have shoulder
straps, but also rely on the upper chest strap to keep the load tight --
that is, let the whole thing be designed to ride on the waist, like a true
backpack.
> >>The Strider waist pack still works well for me. When I've got a shell
> >>wrapped around my waist, getting tangled with my bottle in back (I said
> >>I wasn't talented), I can wear it on the other hip so the bottle's in
> >>front - where even *I* can get at it. Ya really need a video of me
> >>trying to use waist packs and bottles while running.
> >
> > lol you're not the only one. last year I used a twin bottle carrier
quite a
> > bit (2x20oz), and I had an extra strap on it to keep them tight to the
back,
> > which had me cursing at times trying to get the damn bottle back in! I
much
> > prefer one bigger bottle for races though, as it's faster just to fill
one
> > than to stand there wondering if you need to fill 2,
>
> Many of my waist packs are 2 bottles - partly thinking that I can run 1
> hr without carrying fluid, but at 20oz/hr (est) in summer, 1 bottle
> isn't adequate for anything. And the 2 bottle packs are vertical or
> slight angle, so they hit me in butt and bounce when running. The
> Strider is angled, so it fits small of back. I've found the 24 oz bottle
> works ok for me in the 1-1.5 hr (cooler 2 hr) range where I don't want
> to carry the kitchen sink. It'll work for 1.5-2 hr in winter. But I'm
> almost always in deficit, esp. in winter, for any of those runs and need
> to really rehydrate well right afterwards. For longer runs, I want more
> gear anyway so it's somewhat academic.
The waistpack I used a lot last year is the UD extender '02, which holds the
bottles a slight outward angle, and has a cargo space in between that can
double as a 3rd bottle holder. I've used that one for some pretty long runs,
using 3 bottles in the pack, and one handheld that can be strapped onto it
later. I really like that model, but for races where you can get refills, 2
bottles is awkward, and I think I'm going to much prefer a single
liter-sized bottle holder.
> and then if you decide
> > yes, waiting longer... A liter will get me a ways in training depending
on
> > the heat of course. In my Mt Grelock race, I got plain water at the last
aid
> > station and filled the bottle, most of which I used to douse myself over
the
> > next mile.
>
> I'm considering 2 bladders eventually - one while chemicals are working
> for purification on long runs since we don't have aid stations.
I have a pack that will hold 2, or one really big one from MSR - it holds up
to 2 gallons. Better for a hike than a 'run' however.
> > Ideally for long runs I'd love one that holds 3 liter-sized bottles
> > horizontally, curving to fit into the lower back. That would solve all
of my
> > above problems with bladders. Plus, one could be plain water, a nice
option
> > if you're stopping for a snack at lunchtime.
>
> I think it's amphipod has some bottles that are shaped to fit body, but
> I don't think they're fairly small. I can't remember where I saw it
> recently online, but I think I've seen some, maybe not waist only, but
> had bottles attached in various places, but don't remember the size.
> That's a lot of fluid to be hanging off waist, although I think I've
> seen some setups where they use a suspender-like rig. Some people use
> backpacks but carry bottles in them.
You're right, that's probably too much without shoulder support. One of my
buddies used to hook up an extra shoulder sling to stabilize his extra large
waistpack for ROGAINEs, but he had as much beer as water in there, and we
were hiking those not racing ;)
-Tony
> Dot
> who next time may think about using sunscreen on winter-white legs (4+
> hr in shorts in sun above tree line)
>
> --
> "Success is different things to different people"
> -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
>
>
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 02:50:33
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Tony S. wrote:
> "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> news:K1Wog.278206$Fs1.87468@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Also, since I don't use bladders all that often, I like to dry them out
> completely to store them, which can be a hassle in the humid northeast USA,
> just another reason I tend to use them infrequently.
I do dry mine out also between uses - once every week or two - using the
cb hanger.
>
> The waistpack I used a lot last year is the UD extender '02, which holds the
> bottles a slight outward angle, and has a cargo space in between that can
> double as a 3rd bottle holder.
I do have an extender, which I got on closeout for the detachable waist
belt pocket, which is a size I hadn't seen elsewhere. By the time I got
it, I was a confirmed backpack user.
>>I'm considering 2 bladders eventually - one while chemicals are working
>>for purification on long runs since we don't have aid stations.
>
>
> I have a pack that will hold 2, or one really big one from MSR - it holds up
> to 2 gallons. Better for a hike than a 'run' however.
What model? I only saw bladders on their web page, no packs. I've been
keeping my eye out for ones designed for 2. I know I've seen them in the
past, but didn't pay that much attention.
>
> You're right, that's probably too much without shoulder support. One of my
> buddies used to hook up an extra shoulder sling to stabilize his extra large
> waistpack for ROGAINEs, but he had as much beer as water in there,
Was his name Doug, by any chance ;)
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 17:20:47
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote in message
news:Zj0pg.75049$mF2.71157@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Tony S. wrote:
>
> > "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> > news:K1Wog.278206$Fs1.87468@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > Also, since I don't use bladders all that often, I like to dry them out
> > completely to store them, which can be a hassle in the humid northeast
USA,
> > just another reason I tend to use them infrequently.
>
> I do dry mine out also between uses - once every week or two - using the
> cb hanger.
> >
> > The waistpack I used a lot last year is the UD extender '02, which holds
the
> > bottles a slight outward angle, and has a cargo space in between that
can
> > double as a 3rd bottle holder.
>
> I do have an extender, which I got on closeout for the detachable waist
> belt pocket, which is a size I hadn't seen elsewhere. By the time I got
> it, I was a confirmed backpack user.
>
> >>I'm considering 2 bladders eventually - one while chemicals are working
> >>for purification on long runs since we don't have aid stations.
> >
> > I have a pack that will hold 2, or one really big one from MSR - it
holds up
> > to 2 gallons. Better for a hike than a 'run' however.
>
> What model? I only saw bladders on their web page, no packs. I've been
> keeping my eye out for ones designed for 2. I know I've seen them in the
> past, but didn't pay that much attention.
Camelback peakbagger, and no, it's not designed ot hold 2, it just will. I
did what I thought was a fair amount of research in the Fall of '04 and got
this and another medium sized smaller one. It's over-engineered at over 3
pounds, and is still too short for my torso, but holds enough gear for day
hikes or extended runs, but it's almost too heavy for runs. Like you said
there are no perfect packs.
For wilderness runs where water can be had, I prefer carrying a filter of
some kind.
> > You're right, that's probably too much without shoulder support. One of
my
> > buddies used to hook up an extra shoulder sling to stabilize his extra
large
> > waistpack for ROGAINEs, but he had as much beer as water in there,
>
> Was his name Doug, by any chance ;)
Nah, but good guess...
-Tony
> Dot
>
> --
> "Success is different things to different people"
> -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
>
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 17:52:19
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Tony S. wrote:
>
> Camelback peakbagger, and no, it's not designed ot hold 2,
Ok, thanks. I've tried that one on and like the fit (backpack-feel to
it), but fairly heavy, as you mention.
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 04:20:59
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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"Tony S." <email_tonys@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:P3dpg.1528$Uy3.1335@trnddc04...
>> > You're right, that's probably too much without shoulder support.
>> > One of
> my
>> > buddies used to hook up an extra shoulder sling to stabilize his
>> > extra
> large
>> > waistpack for ROGAINEs, but he had as much beer as water in there,
>>
>> Was his name Doug, by any chance ;)
>
> Nah, but good guess...
Not me! I'm strictly a one hole vertical bottle man and I don't
normally do runs or races that make me haul a bunch of water. Ok,
tomorrow I will break out my two bottle pack cuz it's going to be 90F
and I'm wearing a long sleeve shirt to try to get some heat acclimation.
I have a camelback and only break it out when I'm long hauling on a
mountain bike that does not pass a Piggly Wiggly.
-DF
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 04:45:46
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "Tony S." <email_tonys@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:P3dpg.1528$Uy3.1335@trnddc04...
>
>>>>waistpack for ROGAINEs, but he had as much beer as water in there,
>>>
>>>Was his name Doug, by any chance ;)
>>
>>Nah, but good guess...
>
>
>
> Not me! I'm strictly a one hole vertical bottle man and I don't
> normally do runs or races that make me haul a bunch of water.
It was the other fluid that's the issue ;)
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 15:49:56
From: Phil M.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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email_tonys@yahoo.com wrote:
> They suck, no pun intended. Why does product design often go so
> backwards! I've used ultimate direction products for years, and love
> their old style bottles because they never leak and they're pretty
> easy to open and close. Along comes their new style (last year I
> think) which I saw and wondered how they were. Now I got a new UD
> carrier (solitaire) because it came with a slightly bigger bottle
> (26oz). The new style doesn't leak still, but it's harder to open and
> close, and air doesn't go back into it fast enough so you have to
> pinch the nipple and wait for it - definitely a step backwards.
> Luckily the old style top fits this bottle too.
I have a couple of the new UD 26 oz bottles. Well, only one now after
left a bottle in the path of an industrial lawn mower. Good thing I
wasn't still holding it http://i4.tinypic.com/16h4to2.jpg. I agree with
you about the new kicker valve design. I opened mine up a bit with an
exacto knife. Of all the bottles I've tried, I like the Specialized "Big
Mouth" design the best http://tinyurl.com/ko3qx. Good fluid flow, opens
and closes very easily, never leaks, easy to clean. I first tried it
when two 21-oz Specialized bottles came with a GoLite lumbar pack that I
bought last year http://tinyurl.com/e9lr2. After that, I bought several
of the 24-oz size.
> Aside from the bottle, the pack is great because it has just the right
> amount of cargo space for a longer race, or for other stuff (holds a
> cell phone with lots of room to spare for training), and it fits my 1
> liter zefal bike bottles also, which is perfect!
>
> http://www.sierratradingpost.com/product.aspx?baseno=82907
Looks good. I really don't need another running pack, do I? ;-)
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Phil M.
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 16:16:12
From: Phil M.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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pmarg@charter.net wrote:
> Of all the bottles I've tried, I like the Specialized "Big Mouth"
> design the best http://tinyurl.com/ko3qx.
I was just checking out some photos from the Western States 100.
http://www.pbase.com/gtach/duncan
It looks like an even mix between UD bottles (new and old) and
Specialized bottles, with Nathan bottles comming in a distant 3rd.
--
Phil M.
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 00:59:36
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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"Phil M." <pmarg@charter.net > wrote in message
news:Xns97F47CB14D972seilogramp@216.77.188.18...
> pmarg@charter.net wrote:
>
> > Of all the bottles I've tried, I like the Specialized "Big Mouth"
> > design the best http://tinyurl.com/ko3qx.
>
> I was just checking out some photos from the Western States 100.
> http://www.pbase.com/gtach/duncan
> It looks like an even mix between UD bottles (new and old) and
> Specialized bottles, with Nathan bottles comming in a distant 3rd.
So now we know where the man with no race plans is looking long term! Those
specialized ones look good. This is the large capacity bike bottle I got a
couple of a few years ago and love them - the Zefal Magnum 32oz'er
http://tinyurl.com/opgog. No handheld straps, but fits nicely in the
horizontal carrier, and hasn't leaked either.
-Tony
> --
> Phil M.
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 16:54:22
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Phil M. wrote:
> Of all the bottles I've tried, I like the Specialized "Big
> Mouth" design the best http://tinyurl.com/ko3qx. Good fluid flow, opens
> and closes very easily, never leaks, easy to clean.
looks a lot like: http://tinyurl.com/oylbg
We got our REI bottles as volunteers (mtn bike trail building), but this
looks like it.
>
> Looks good. I really don't need another running pack, do I? ;-)
>
Never too many. ;) I needed to be able to carry 80oz, which I couldn't
do with my 70oz bladders. And of course couldn't make up my mind at the
sale, so came home with two. Still testing, but really happy with the
one and haven't had a chance to test the other much yet. That makes 5
that probably each have their day in the sun - or snow, as the case may
be. (and one UD that doesn't get used)
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 00:50:36
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote in message
news:2TSpg.299127$Fs1.184381@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Phil M. wrote:
>
> > Of all the bottles I've tried, I like the Specialized "Big
> > Mouth" design the best http://tinyurl.com/ko3qx. Good fluid flow, opens
> > and closes very easily, never leaks, easy to clean.
>
> looks a lot like: http://tinyurl.com/oylbg
> We got our REI bottles as volunteers (mtn bike trail building), but this
> looks like it.
>
> > Looks good. I really don't need another running pack, do I? ;-)
> >
> Never too many. ;) I needed to be able to carry 80oz, which I couldn't
> do with my 70oz bladders. And of course couldn't make up my mind at the
> sale, so came home with two. Still testing, but really happy with the
> one and haven't had a chance to test the other much yet. That makes 5
> that probably each have their day in the sun - or snow, as the case may
> be. (and one UD that doesn't get used)
On my run yesterday 4+ hrs, I took my 70 oz bladder/pack (with water ;), a
bunch of accel gels, a balance bar (+salts of course), my liter bottle in
the solitaire waistpack, and one handheld 20oz'er that I strapped on the
pack after draining it within 1 hr. Both bottles had accelerade in them.
That was good for 120 oz, and it rode well and got me through the run nicely
on a mild day. I saved the liter bottle for last. The waistpack fit nicely
under and supported the bladder pack (a hydrapack tracker I got at sierra a
couple of years ago). There was a spring somewhat off the route I would have
tapped had it been a hot day.
-Tony
> Dot
>
> --
> "Success is different things to different people"
> -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
>
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 03:08:08
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Tony S. wrote:
>
> On my run yesterday 4+ hrs, I took my 70 oz bladder/pack (with water ;), a
> bunch of accel gels, a balance bar (+salts of course), my liter bottle in
> the solitaire waistpack, and one handheld 20oz'er that I strapped on the
> pack after draining it within 1 hr. Both bottles had accelerade in them.
> That was good for 120 oz, and it rode well and got me through the run nicely
> on a mild day. I saved the liter bottle for last. The waistpack fit nicely
> under and supported the bladder pack (a hydrapack tracker I got at sierra a
> couple of years ago).
Good idea. Considering how short most hydration packs are, I'd thought
about waist belt beneath hydration pack like that. I've got a 2nd
strider (closeout price was about $10, so I bought 3) that I was trying
to rig under my Lobo to have a better waist belt on Lobo plus a decent,
stable front pocket, but could never get it to work. I decided it was
academic since I really needed more capacity for gear. I was noticing
the pouches that some of the WS runners had in the link that Phil posted.
A benefit I've found to running above treeline is the cooling breeze.
Even though it's been warm, it hasn't been too unbearble on the ridges
(long runs), and 80 oz was way more than enough for 4 hr in motion (plus
pictures - summer comes about 2 days of the year, and well, no training
is so important to ignore it. Alpine flowers were out.)
The runs are also getting long enough (timewise, not distance), that I'm
finding I eat more food enroute now. Plus salt.
Dot
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"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 17:52:31
From: Phil M.
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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dot.h@#duh?att.net wrote:
> Phil M. wrote:
>
>> Of all the bottles I've tried, I like the Specialized "Big
>> Mouth" design the best http://tinyurl.com/ko3qx. Good fluid flow,
>> opens and closes very easily, never leaks, easy to clean.
>
> looks a lot like: http://tinyurl.com/oylbg
> We got our REI bottles as volunteers (mtn bike trail building), but
> this looks like it.
It's probably the same. Specialized makes a lot of bottles with various
labels on them (promos, etc.). What does it say on the bottom?
http://i4.tinypic.com/16h9kb4.jpg
>> Looks good. I really don't need another running pack, do I? ;-)
>>
> Never too many. ;) I needed to be able to carry 80oz, which I
> couldn't do with my 70oz bladders.
I ran a 13-miler (2 hours) today and barely had enough fluid with a 70
oz bladder. As I get acclimated, I'll be pushing more and more fluids a
la Stumpus.
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Phil M.
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 03:08:39
From: Dot
Subject: Re: What's with these UD nipple bottles?
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Phil M. wrote:
> dot.h@#duh?att.net wrote:
>
>
>>Phil M. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Of all the bottles I've tried, I like the Specialized "Big
>>>Mouth" design the best http://tinyurl.com/ko3qx. Good fluid flow,
>>>opens and closes very easily, never leaks, easy to clean.
>>
>>looks a lot like: http://tinyurl.com/oylbg
>>We got our REI bottles as volunteers (mtn bike trail building), but
>>this looks like it.
>
>
> It's probably the same. Specialized makes a lot of bottles with various
> labels on them (promos, etc.). What does it say on the bottom?
> http://i4.tinypic.com/16h9kb4.jpg
Yep, that's it. That combined with my Strider solved my short, warm run
problem for fluids.
>
>
>>>Looks good. I really don't need another running pack, do I? ;-)
>>>
>>
>>Never too many. ;) I needed to be able to carry 80oz, which I
>>couldn't do with my 70oz bladders.
>
>
> I ran a 13-miler (2 hours) today and barely had enough fluid with a 70
> oz bladder. As I get acclimated, I'll be pushing more and more fluids a
> la Stumpus.
I was only nursing 24 oz thru 1:15 (about 7.2k, 600ft; 70F=temperature
where Alaskans melt just sitting around). Decided it was not a day to do
a little extra, since Tues is hill day. Fortunately, we only deal with
this for a few days most years.
Dot
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"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
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