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Date: 09 Mar 2006 21:01:00
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Subject: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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For some reason i dont like biking but swimming seems pretty neat. How
many miles should I swim if im a very serious athlete with running as
my first priority? What type of swimming would be best? Im 42 and seem
prone to overuse injuries. i guess i run too fast and too long and too
frequently even though i only run ever second day. ive got some pain
along my shins , very borderline. im only running 30 minutes. i hate to
say it but i really need two days between runs , it seems. i need to be
able to run 60 minutes by end of april.
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 12:25:05
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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Long run, short pier.
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 16:59:30
From: Donovan Rebbechi
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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On 2006-03-10, ethnicdriven@yahoo.com <ethnicdriven@yahoo.com > wrote:
> For some reason i dont like biking but swimming seems pretty neat. How
> many miles should I swim if im a very serious athlete with running as
> my first priority?
Depends on how serious you are, but:
(1) if running is your first priority, do as much running as possible (meaning
whatever you can do without getting injured)
(2) if that leaves you with less than about 12 hours a week of training time,
add as much cross training as possible
> What type of swimming would be best? Im 42 and seem
I don't think it matters too much.
> prone to overuse injuries. i guess i run too fast and too long and too
> frequently even though i only run ever second day. ive got some pain
How do you know that all three of these things are problems ?
If I were a betting man, I'd say you'd get on top of your problems by slowing
down your training runs. Doing longer training runs may actually help, because
that will force you to slow down to a pace that you can comfortably sustain
for an hour or so. If completing a 1 hour run at your current training pace is
difficult, your pace is much too fast.
So I'd suggest slowing down, and gradually *increasing* your longest training
run until you're up to 60 minutes, then increase your other runs to 40 minutes,
and then increase your training frequency first to 4x, 5x, then 6x/week. I'd
suggest increasing total weekly training time by about 10% every 3 weeks. So:
week1 : 30,30,40
week4 : 30,30,50
week7 : 30,30,60
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 08:05:32
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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"A HIPPOCAMPUS ...
... and a Horse of The Sea I saw
Today, rocking, too, huddled close,
An odd added Fauna. On toes
One frolics. A whooshing tail, no claws,
Sports the other. A Hippocampus,
Who bathes and frolics in the sea
With the Rocking Horse of The Sea
I saw, apparently, runs rampant.
Equine Aqua swishes tail, no paws.
Tiptoes, the Hippocampus, I saw."
~ Twittering
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 07:42:26
From: ActionBill@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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ethnicdriven@yahoo.com wrote:
> For some reason i dont like biking but swimming seems pretty neat. How
> many miles should I swim if im a very serious athlete with running as
> my first priority? What type of swimming would be best?
Swimming in water is recommended.
> Im 42 and seem
> prone to overuse injuries.
No need to use the code words "overuse injuries." You've taken a big
step by admitting you have a problem. Fortunately help is available:
http://tinyurl.com/e22m6
If you have any additional questions there is no need to use code words
such as "lactic burn" of the right hand or "overdevelopment" of the
right arm. We're all adults and understand your situation.
> i guess i run too fast and too long and too
> frequently even though i only run ever second day. ive got some pain
> along my shins , very borderline. im only running 30 minutes. i hate to
> say it but i really need two days between runs , it seems. i need to be
> able to run 60 minutes by end of april.
Are you an American and planning to run from the IRS in April? Running
60 minutes won't help. I recommend you save yourself problems and
embarassment and just pay up like the rest of us.
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 07:37:15
From:
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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On 9 Mar 2006 21:01:00 -0800, ethnicdriven@yahoo.com wrote:
>. i need to be
>able to run 60 minutes by end of april.
You don't want to be a pig anyway.
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 14:23:46
From:
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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Thanks for the comprehensive answer. I only run 1 hr 45 min per week
so that leaves lots of time for cross training. I'll try running slower
for 40 minutes to see what happens.
Running too fast is a distinct possibility . I really get up for a run
and get bored running slow. I even seem to have to swim fast. Never
swam since 15 yrs old but i was really swimming fast yesterday. I got a
charlie horse in my calf while swimming fast.
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 21:40:05
From: Francis
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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<ethnicdriven@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1142029426.533841.240510@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for the comprehensive answer.
He's SPAMMER who owns stock in several shoe companys.
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Date: 10 Mar 2006 15:28:16
From: Ed Prochak
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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ethnicdriven@yahoo.com wrote:
> For some reason i dont like biking but swimming seems pretty neat. How
> many miles should I swim if im a very serious athlete with running as
> my first priority? What type of swimming would be best? Im 42 and seem
> prone to overuse injuries. i guess i run too fast and too long and too
> frequently even though i only run ever second day. ive got some pain
> along my shins , very borderline. im only running 30 minutes. i hate to
> say it but i really need two days between runs , it seems. i need to be
> able to run 60 minutes by end of april.
Consider getting running shoes. Get them from a running shoe specialty
store, and places like FOOT LOCKER are NOT that kind of store.
Try just mixing in some easy runs, where easy is defined as running at
a pace where you can carry on a conversation without gasping your
sentences. Run with a friend and talk to each other to force you to
stay at a good slow pace..
Only guessing that swimming might be useful in building aerobic
capacity. So maybe doing long swims, in the range of your runtimes
(30minutes) might help. Where are the triathletes? any comments?
Ed
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Date: 11 Mar 2006 10:22:52
From: pam in sc
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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ethnicdriven@yahoo.com wrote:
> For some reason i dont like biking but swimming seems pretty neat. How
> many miles should I swim if im a very serious athlete with running as
> my first priority? What type of swimming would be best? Im 42 and seem
> prone to overuse injuries. i guess i run too fast and too long and too
> frequently even though i only run ever second day. ive got some pain
> along my shins , very borderline. im only running 30 minutes. i hate to
> say it but i really need two days between runs , it seems. i need to be
> able to run 60 minutes by end of april.
I find swimming really useful in building a variety of leg muscles--I'm
convinced that as a result my knees are better supported and less prone
to injury. I swim with a master's group with a coach for an hour and a
half three times a week. We almost always do 20 minutes or so of
kicking (not using our arms) wearing fins, which both stretches and
strengthens the legs. Backstroke kick to some extent and even more so
butterfly kick are very good for strengthening core muscles. We also
regularly do breaststroke or just breaststroke kick (no fins), which
uses a whole different set of leg muscles.
When I was increasing my long runs a little faster than was wise,
building up to doing a half marathon in February, I sometimes swam
gently after running because it seemed to stretch out everything that
was sore from running.
Pam
who is happy because I ran my 3 miles today at a pace of just under 12
minutes a mile
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Date: 11 Mar 2006 19:13:52
From:
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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I suspect that crosstraining is more important than people say. Right
now i only run 2 hrs per week and that is my only exercise.
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Date: 12 Mar 2006 07:04:33
From: onemarathon
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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ethnicdriven@yahoo.com wrote:
> For some reason i dont like biking but swimming seems pretty neat. How
> many miles should I swim if im a very serious athlete with running as
> my first priority? What type of swimming would be best? Im 42 and seem
> prone to overuse injuries. i guess i run too fast and too long and too
> frequently even though i only run ever second day. ive got some pain
> along my shins , very borderline. im only running 30 minutes. i hate to
> say it but i really need two days between runs , it seems. i need to be
> able to run 60 minutes by end of april.
since others seem to have offered good suggestions about things to
alleviate shin pain, i won't go into that part of your post. good
shoes, form and pacing should help. i find that one day between shorter
runs is sufficient for recovery, and maybe two days off prior to long
(1:00+) runs. but that can vary between different folks.
as for swimming..... i love swimming, perhaps more than running
sometimes... especially when running injuries pop up. during warm
weather/race season, i swim many times a week (6-7 sometimes). this is
mainly because i also train for triathlons, and i find that the
crosstraining is great for developing even more cardio, plus
all-important upper body strength, which really helps with the running
form/posture that is necessary for doing it more efficiently and
injury-free. swimming doesn't interfere with running in any way, but
rather helps recovery..... i find that a nice cool dip in the pool -
with some quality laps - following a run is great for aching, tight
running muscles. i tend not to use my legs that much when i swim, just
keeping the legs loose and doing a very light, gentle kick, using
mainly my upper body to propel myself.
so.... swim as often as you want. i do a minimum of 40 min. to get a
decent workout, and up to an hour or so sometimes. you can swim for
distance.... going continuously without stopping (or with very brief
stops), and/or do intervals as you would do in running... and also
drills for technique are equally important in order to do efficient,
injury-free swimming.
best of luck,
Cam
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Date: 12 Mar 2006 19:04:47
From:
Subject: Re: Went swimming today. How do i combine swimming and running?
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ok, i will try to swim frequently. i think taking 2 days off after or
before a long run is soemthing i will have to do. I try not to use my
legs so much when swimming. I really have a weak core and upper body.
Swimming works for me because there are people around and it stimulates
me to try to look good by going fast etc.. Weightlifting at home does
not always work. just like brushing teeth . i never seem to have the
motication. thanks for the good input
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