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Date: 02 Dec 2006 20:29:36
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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I've been wearing my Nike Vaporflys (very light racing flat) for about 350
miles, 90% on trails and dirt fireroads. This is well beyond their quoted
life of 250 miles.
I PR'd a mountain hill workout in their last wearing, so they were quite
runnable, and the soles were barely worn. The cusioning was about half
gone, though, and little aches and pains were beginning to appear.
The uppers started to really disintegrate about a week ago, and I ordered a
new pair, but messed up somehow and had to re-order.
In the meantime, since I love these shoes so much, I decided, in the
interests of Science, to see how long I could run in them. My wife thought
I was nuts. See attached photo.
http://i16.tinypic.com/2ppd4zk.jpg
(This is a disturbing image, not appropriate for impressionable young
people)
My shiny new pair arrived yesterday and these are now in the dumpster.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 17:48:53
From: LSmith
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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good job dan. shoe cost you about $60 or so right? what's
that?...about 17 cents/mile? Amazing value. Most folks pay I'm
guessing 21, 22 plus cents/mile.
do you think your orthotics contributed to the sidewall ultimately
ripping? i noted the insoles were missing and remembered you wear
orthotics.
i'm astonishingly shocked with how well a pair of asics gel magic race
iv flats are holding up with me. strictly roads, i beat shoes up,
these things are hard to justify dumping at 350 miles. they're
actually holding up better than most trainers i've worn.
the forefront/forefoot is actually wearing more than the heel, which is
good, I'm ball/midsole striking the vast majority of the time. they
seem like shoes that don't want to die. a simply wash and they're
ready for another tour of duty.
i'm figuring this shoe is ultimately going to cost me about 13 to 14
cents/mile max.
why did you not buy 2 pairs and rotate? i take it you have no
concern/fear the shoe's going to be discontinued soon? i know you
love that shoe. when you love a shoe, you better stock up. I'm not
sure that shoe can even be purchased on Nike's webstie, May not be
official but it has all the signs of being discontinued....whereas the
Marathoner and XC will survive all of '07.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 02:07:40
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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On 2006-12-03, LSmith <Digisend@gmail.com > wrote:
> good job dan. shoe cost you about $60 or so right? what's
> that?...about 17 cents/mile? Amazing value. Most folks pay I'm
> guessing 21, 22 plus cents/mile.
>
> do you think your orthotics contributed to the sidewall ultimately
> ripping? i noted the insoles were missing and remembered you wear
> orthotics.
I had similar problems without orthotics. The uppers are really flimsy on
the light nike models. I think this is to keep weight down.
> i'm astonishingly shocked with how well a pair of asics gel magic race
> iv flats are holding up with me. strictly roads, i beat shoes up,
> these things are hard to justify dumping at 350 miles. they're
> actually holding up better than most trainers i've worn.
I think you should get at least 400, maybe 500. I'm not in agreement with the
prevailing view that flats should be dumped so early. It's only true with the
extremely lightweight models and even these more resilient than people realize
(good for about half of whatever you'd get from a trainer)
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 08:15:14
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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"LSmith" <Digisend@gmail.com > wrote
> good job dan. shoe cost you about $60 or so right? what's
> that?...about 17 cents/mile? Amazing value. Most folks pay I'm
> guessing 21, 22 plus cents/mile.
Actually, cost isn't the main factor for me, but these shoes are cheap
($55), make me run fast (cause they're light), eliminated a weird knee
tendon problem I've had for years, are more cusioned than the "full
featured" Air Pegasus. Only problem is the very flimsy uppers.
> do you think your orthotics contributed to the sidewall ultimately
> ripping? i noted the insoles were missing and remembered you wear
> orthotics.
The orthotics and built-up insole I use make my foot thicker, and this puts
more stress on the upper.
> the forefront/forefoot is actually wearing more than the heel, which is
> good, I'm ball/midsole striking the vast majority of the time. they
> seem like shoes that don't want to die. a simply wash and they're
> ready for another tour of duty.
I noticed the cushioning going at about 200-250 miles.
> why did you not buy 2 pairs and rotate? i take it you have no
> concern/fear the shoe's going to be discontinued soon?
I am worried about that, and I will pickup a few extra pairs -- if it's not
too late!
> sure that shoe can even be purchased on Nike's webstie, May not be
> official but it has all the signs of being discontinued....whereas the
> Marathoner and XC will survive all of '07.
I guess there's no money or marketing oomph for a very simple, very light
shoe like this, unfortunately. They do look very cool, though.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 18:05:05
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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The bitter end?
What are you doing.........TASTING your jogging slippers for wear?!
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 22:51:49
From: joe positive
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:29:36 GMT, "Dan Stumpus"
<dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com > wrote:
>In the meantime, since I love these shoes so much, I decided, in the
>interests of Science, to see how long I could run in them. My wife thought
>I was nuts. See attached photo.
>
>http://i16.tinypic.com/2ppd4zk.jpg
the obvious question: what did your feet look like at the end of all
that?
Karen
live! vicariously!
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 23:13:56
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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"joe positive" <kcollin5@tampabay.rr.com > wrote
> the obvious question: what did your feet look like at the end of all
> that?
Showing that picture would get me arrested in 17 states :-)
Actually, feet were fine, but socks were very dirty. These uppers, even
when new, are translucent they're so thin. So on trails, dust filters
through to the socks, and even my toes.
I was surprised that I had no problems. As long as I put my orthotics in
there, I can apparently run with anything that provides some cusioning.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 14:10:00
From: Al Bundy
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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Dan Stumpus wrote:
> I've been wearing my Nike Vaporflys (very light racing flat) for about 350
> miles, 90% on trails and dirt fireroads. This is well beyond their quoted
> life of 250 miles.
>
> I PR'd a mountain hill workout in their last wearing, so they were quite
> runnable, and the soles were barely worn. The cusioning was about half
> gone, though, and little aches and pains were beginning to appear.
>
> The uppers started to really disintegrate about a week ago, and I ordered a
> new pair, but messed up somehow and had to re-order.
>
> In the meantime, since I love these shoes so much, I decided, in the
> interests of Science, to see how long I could run in them. My wife thought
> I was nuts. See attached photo.
>
> http://i16.tinypic.com/2ppd4zk.jpg
>
> (This is a disturbing image, not appropriate for impressionable young
> people)
>
> My shiny new pair arrived yesterday and these are now in the dumpster.
Your shoes are worse than I would allow my feet to run in. However, I
do routinely put 1,000 miles on a pair and have put as much as 1,800 on
some. I need to resole them to achieve this mileage. I could easily
wear a pair out in a month, but economy forces me to repair them to the
max.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 21:38:27
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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On 2006-12-02, Dan Stumpus <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com > wrote:
> I've been wearing my Nike Vaporflys (very light racing flat) for about 350
> miles, 90% on trails and dirt fireroads. This is well beyond their quoted
> life of 250 miles.
>
> I PR'd a mountain hill workout in their last wearing, so they were quite
> runnable, and the soles were barely worn. The cusioning was about half
> gone, though, and little aches and pains were beginning to appear.
I did similar with the Nike Streak XC (also very light flat) -- I think I ran
about 400 miles or so with them. Like you, I found the uppers fell apart first,
which would never happen on a trainer (with much more resilient uppers)
As for the cushioning, they never really had much to begin with, so not much to
lose. Thicker running shoes lose elasticity in the midsoles, but the light flats
are more sponge-like.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 13:20:28
From: jobs
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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Dan Stumpus wrote:
> I've been wearing my Nike Vaporflys (very light racing flat) for about 350
> miles, 90% on trails and dirt fireroads. This is well beyond their quoted
> life of 250 miles.
>
....
>
> http://i16.tinypic.com/2ppd4zk.jpg
>
....
A couple of years ago, I got 1000 miles from my Saucony Grid Trigons.
Finally, I decided to give them to the local running shop to be
recycled. They looked normal from the outside, but the cushioning had
been greatly reduced.
My current pair of Trigons have about 600 miles on them. They look good
for another couple of 100 at least.
These are great shoes.
jobs
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 11:44:25
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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Dan wrote:
> The orthotics and built-up insole I use make my foot thicker, and
> this puts more stress on the upper.
> [...]
> I noticed the cushioning going at about 200-250 miles.
If you ever run into Fila's Corsa Sette you might try on a pair. I'm
finding the cushioning very durable (I'm easier on shoes than most, but
still generally notice a big loss of cushioning on flats before the
300+ miles my older pair has) and the upper - though it's really
free-form and light - seems pretty robust. Except the high arch might
interfere with your orthotics; never having used them, I don't know if
this is a factor.
I also quite like the Streak XC which are even lighter but I don't yet
know how the durability will play out. The Air Streak Ekidens which
were their Nike predecessor in my stable clearly wore out, both upper
and sole, in a more typical flat-ly time span.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 11:43:56
From: Chuck
Subject: Re: Wearing shoes to the bitter end...
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Dan wrote:
> The orthotics and built-up insole I use make my foot thicker, and
> this puts more stress on the upper.
> [...]
> I noticed the cushioning going at about 200-250 miles.
If you ever run into Fila's Corsa Sette you might try on a pair. I'm
finding the cushioning very durable (I'm easier on shoes than most, but
still generally notice a big loss of cushioning on flats before the
300+ miles my older pair has) and the upper - though it's really
free-form and light - seems pretty robust. Except the high arch might
interfere with your orthotics; never having used them, I don't know if
this is a factor.
I also quite like the Streak XC which are even lighter but I don't yet
know how the durability will play out. The Air Streak Ekidens which
were their Nike predecessor in my stable clearly wore out, both upper
and sole, in a more typical flat-ly time span.
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