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Date: 11 Mar 2006 13:53:54
From: Jack
Subject: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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Yeah I stretched the soleus and gastrocnemius religiously and wore a
special night sock frequently. Used ice, massage, NSAIDS, and toe
curls to a lesser extent. Always wore heel cups or some other
recommended insert.
But I'm convinced that those treatments had minimal effect and the
thing that cured this bitch of a disease was rest, and for me that
meant NO running and minimal walking over a 6-week period.
Used a ski machine as a substitute but even *that* irritated the heel
and had to be severely curtailed.
My apologies to all you purists out there but you are not going to run
your way through plantar fasciitis, even if you follow all of the
other recommended treatment modalities.
Jack
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Date: 11 Mar 2006 08:50:33
From:
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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Jack wrote:
> Yeah I stretched the soleus and gastrocnemius religiously and wore a
> special night sock frequently. Used ice, massage, NSAIDS, and toe
> curls to a lesser extent. Always wore heel cups or some other
> recommended insert.
>
> But I'm convinced that those treatments had minimal effect and the
> thing that cured this bitch of a disease was rest, and for me that
> meant NO running and minimal walking over a 6-week period.
>
> Used a ski machine as a substitute but even *that* irritated the heel
> and had to be severely curtailed.
>
> My apologies to all you purists out there but you are not going to run
> your way through plantar fasciitis, even if you follow all of the
> other recommended treatment modalities.
>
> Jack
Where does it say to "run through" an injury ? Rest is the key , if
only I would not run or train for say 4 weeks I'm sure any lasting
niggles from my injury would dissappear.
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Date: 11 Mar 2006 11:25:37
From:
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:53:54 GMT, windswept@home.net (Jack) wrote:
>and wore a
>special night sock frequently
Where'd you find a sock small enough to fit your 2" penis?
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Date: 12 Mar 2006 05:02:11
From: OldGoat
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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Dear Jack,
I am not real up to speed on foot ailments, but the way it sounds, a period
of rest and being very easy with weight bearing activities should be
helpful. Elevate it, soak it, maybe tape it and go with a crutch or at the
least a cane, for a while, to assist with the weight bearing on normal
activities, couldn't hurt.
As it seems you're living to run, rather than running to live,, if you truly
enjoy the activity that much, a visit to a podiatrist and a foot X-ray might
give you a measure of piece of mind, knowing further damage is not a risk. 3
X your body weight every time you land on that foot could do all kinds of
nasty things, and better to waste the bucks for a dors appointment than
take a chance of sacrificing something you love to do. There aren't many
things people enjoy doing in life that aren't illegal, immoral or fattening.
Do all you must to keep this activity safe for you, even if it means taking
a little time off from it.
Best Wishes for a speedy recovery--og
"Jack" <windswept@home.net > wrote in message
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> Yeah I stretched the soleus and gastrocnemius religiously and wore a
> special night sock frequently. Used ice, massage, NSAIDS, and toe
> curls to a lesser extent. Always wore heel cups or some other
> recommended insert.
>
> But I'm convinced that those treatments had minimal effect and the
> thing that cured this bitch of a disease was rest, and for me that
> meant NO running and minimal walking over a 6-week period.
>
> Used a ski machine as a substitute but even *that* irritated the heel
> and had to be severely curtailed.
>
> My apologies to all you purists out there but you are not going to run
> your way through plantar fasciitis, even if you follow all of the
> other recommended treatment modalities.
>
> Jack
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Date: 12 Mar 2006 14:30:07
From: Beach Runner
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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Better than an x-ray, find a good podiatrist with an ultra sound
machine. That can look at soft tissue.
Find other activities while it's healing, or it wont.
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 08:28:45
From: Charrlygrl1
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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The latest edition of "Arthritis Today' put out by The Arthritis
Foundation, says take two weeks of rest, then walk or run it off.
I say BULL!! I've suffered with a horrid case of PF along with pain in
the balls of my feet and in both ankles. (I have ankylosing
spondylitis, a fun erosive arthritis which affects the spine,
peripheral joints, and points of tendon insertion into bone).
>From the medical encylopedia on line:
Enthesis
the site of attachment of a tendon or ligament to bone. The enthesis
consists of four zones: the tendon, unmineralized fibrocartilage,
mineralized fibrocartilage and lamellar bone. Entheses are
metabolically active and are nourished by blood supply from the
peritenon, perichondrium and periosteum.
Entheses are involved in a number of inflammatory, traumatic and
degenerative processes (enthesitis or enthesopathy).
Radiographically detectable bone excrescences may occur in various
degenerative disorders; these bone outgrowths are termed enthesophytes
or spurs.
I truly do think how to get rid of PF depends on what is causing the
PF.
I tried everything to make it go away...nothing worked. The stretches
helped for all of about 2 seconds, then the pain was right back.
The only thing that helped me with it was working with my arthritis med
combinations. Finally Enbrel, azulfidine, prednisone, and injectable
MTX got it under control.
PF is a bitch, no doubt about it.
I'm glad that you found something that works for you,
Char
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 12:09:08
From:
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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What are you, a lil girlie or something?
On 13 Mar 2006 08:28:45 -0800, "Charrlygrl1" <Charrlygrl1@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>The latest edition of "Arthritis Today' put out by The Arthritis
>Foundation, says take two weeks of rest, then walk or run it off.
>I say BULL!! I've suffered with a horrid case of PF along with pain in
>the balls of my feet and in both ankles. (I have ankylosing
>spondylitis, a fun erosive arthritis which affects the spine,
>peripheral joints, and points of tendon insertion into bone).
>
>>From the medical encylopedia on line:
>Enthesis
>the site of attachment of a tendon or ligament to bone. The enthesis
>consists of four zones: the tendon, unmineralized fibrocartilage,
>mineralized fibrocartilage and lamellar bone. Entheses are
>metabolically active and are nourished by blood supply from the
>peritenon, perichondrium and periosteum.
>Entheses are involved in a number of inflammatory, traumatic and
>degenerative processes (enthesitis or enthesopathy).
>
>Radiographically detectable bone excrescences may occur in various
>degenerative disorders; these bone outgrowths are termed enthesophytes
>or spurs.
>
>I truly do think how to get rid of PF depends on what is causing the
>PF.
>
>
>I tried everything to make it go away...nothing worked. The stretches
>helped for all of about 2 seconds, then the pain was right back.
>The only thing that helped me with it was working with my arthritis med
>combinations. Finally Enbrel, azulfidine, prednisone, and injectable
>MTX got it under control.
>PF is a bitch, no doubt about it.
>I'm glad that you found something that works for you,
>Char
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 08:17:54
From: userfriendly
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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"Jack" <windswept@home.net > wrote in message
news:4412d66d.7495687@news-60.giganews.com...
:
: Yeah I stretched the soleus and gastrocnemius religiously and wore a
: special night sock frequently. Used ice, massage, NSAIDS, and toe
: curls to a lesser extent. Always wore heel cups or some other
: recommended insert.
:
: But I'm convinced that those treatments had minimal effect and the
: thing that cured this bitch of a disease was rest, and for me that
: meant NO running and minimal walking over a 6-week period.
:
: Used a ski machine as a substitute but even *that* irritated the heel
: and had to be severely curtailed.
:
: My apologies to all you purists out there but you are not going to run
: your way through plantar fasciitis, even if you follow all of the
: other recommended treatment modalities.
:
: Jack
While I appreciate what you're saying, I also dealt with Plantar Fasciitis.
I decided NOT to forego running, cycling and standing/walking around.
Instead, I did the night splints a bit (not much), wore shoes around the
house instead of going barefoot, stretched just a bit, wore a heel cup in my
walking shoes and used ice every night for 20 minutes.
I DID run my way through Plantar Fasciitis, just as my orthopaedist said I
would. It took a year, but the pain was minimal and I much preferred that
to the "6 week off" period that you are advocating.
The point, though, is this: because ceasing all running activities worked
for you, you are saying that's the only thing that will work for everyone
else. Truth is, we're all different. If not running worked for you and you
prefer that, great. I preferred to run through it. Don't tell me what will
and will not work for me based on the limited experience of one guy who
didn't get results as quickly as he wanted using other modalities. It's
that kind of arrogance that will keep you from being able to learn from the
experiences of others. It'll keep you intellectually immature.
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 14:25:06
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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"userfriendly" <youserfriendly@google.net > wrote in message
news:ZheRf.61117$Ug4.35625@dukeread12...
> The point, though, is this: because ceasing all running activities
> worked
> for you, you are saying that's the only thing that will work for
> everyone
> else. Truth is, we're all different. If not running worked for you
> and you
> prefer that, great. I preferred to run through it. Don't tell me
> what will
> and will not work for me based on the limited experience of one guy
> who
> didn't get results as quickly as he wanted using other modalities.
> It's
> that kind of arrogance that will keep you from being able to learn
> from the
> experiences of others. It'll keep you intellectually immature.
You are both correct in treatment. Understand PF is the name of general
diagnosis of a problem with the fascia. The degree of injury or
placement can vary widely. Because of the variability of injuries and
problems, solutions also vary. So yes, some people can run through it
and others have to completely stop or some combination of the two plus
the night splints, etc. etc. The real pain in the ass, metaphorically
speaking, is finding what will work for you, which sad to say, takes
time and runners hate down time. For starters and only a opinion, if
you know you are a slow healer in general, then I would suggest a
conservative approach. If a fast healer, try a more aggressive approach
-DF
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 16:54:16
From: Jack
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:25:06 GMT, "Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com >
wrote:
>You are both correct in treatment. Understand PF is the name of general
>diagnosis of a problem with the fascia. The degree of injury or
>placement can vary widely. Because of the variability of injuries and
>problems, solutions also vary. So yes, some people can run through it
>and others have to completely stop or some combination of the two plus
>the night splints, etc. etc. The real pain in the ass, metaphorically
>speaking, is finding what will work for you, which sad to say, takes
>time and runners hate down time. For starters and only a opinion, if
>you know you are a slow healer in general, then I would suggest a
>conservative approach. If a fast healer, try a more aggressive approach
>
>-DF
That's true. I "ran through it" for years without doing *any* kind of
treatment or adjustment and yet it stayed mild, but when it flared in
late January, man I was lucky to hobble. I simply don't believe that
the icing, stretching, night splint, massage,etc. had any effect on
improvement. Abstinence was the ticket.
Ironically, I tore a lateral knee meniscus two months earlier and that
had no effect on running, only on crouching. Surgery for partial
removal 2/24.
The damn PF was more disabling than the cartilage damage.
At 62, it's all catching up to me; you just don't heal the same way.
Other egs, in the past yr. a strained neck/trapezius from bench
presses took 6 months before becoming pain-free and the rotator cuffs
and bicipital tendons are chronically sore. Everything has seemed to
collapse at once like a pre-programmed genetic destruction.
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 23:57:34
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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"Jack" <windswept@home.net > wrote in message
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> At 62, it's all catching up to me; you just don't heal the same way.
> Other egs, in the past yr. a strained neck/trapezius from bench
> presses took 6 months before becoming pain-free and the rotator cuffs
> and bicipital tendons are chronically sore. Everything has seemed to
> collapse at once like a pre-programmed genetic destruction.
We can't pick our parents. :)
-DF
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 19:11:20
From:
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:57:34 GMT, "Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com >
wrote:
>We can't pick our parents. :)
Mine sure dumped me fast though. They say one look at me, and mom
passed back out, and pops headed for the door never to be seen again.
-DF
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Date: 13 Mar 2006 20:34:14
From: userfriendly
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:6hfRf.16307$4%1.11423@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
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: "userfriendly" <youserfriendly@google.net > wrote in message
: news:ZheRf.61117$Ug4.35625@dukeread12...
: > The point, though, is this: because ceasing all running activities
: > worked
: > for you, you are saying that's the only thing that will work for
: > everyone
: > else. Truth is, we're all different. If not running worked for you
: > and you
: > prefer that, great. I preferred to run through it. Don't tell me
: > what will
: > and will not work for me based on the limited experience of one guy
: > who
: > didn't get results as quickly as he wanted using other modalities.
: > It's
: > that kind of arrogance that will keep you from being able to learn
: > from the
: > experiences of others. It'll keep you intellectually immature.
:
:
: You are both correct in treatment. Understand PF is the name of general
: diagnosis of a problem with the fascia. The degree of injury or
: placement can vary widely. Because of the variability of injuries and
: problems, solutions also vary. So yes, some people can run through it
: and others have to completely stop or some combination of the two plus
: the night splints, etc. etc. The real pain in the ass, metaphorically
: speaking, is finding what will work for you, which sad to say, takes
: time and runners hate down time. For starters and only a opinion, if
: you know you are a slow healer in general, then I would suggest a
: conservative approach. If a fast healer, try a more aggressive approach
:
: -DF
Agreed, Doug! It's not a "my way is the only way" approach. Thanks for
summarizing the balance and individuality I was trying to bring across.
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Date: 14 Mar 2006 08:26:11
From: Baxter
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:6hfRf.16307$4%1.11423@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>
>>
>
> You are both correct in treatment. Understand PF is the name of general
> diagnosis of a problem with the fascia. The degree of injury or
> placement can vary widely. Because of the variability of injuries and
> problems, solutions also vary. So yes, some people can run through it
> and others have to completely stop or some combination of the two plus
> the night splints, etc. etc. The real pain in the ass, metaphorically
> speaking, is finding what will work for you, which sad to say, takes
> time and runners hate down time. For starters and only a opinion, if
> you know you are a slow healer in general, then I would suggest a
> conservative approach. If a fast healer, try a more aggressive approach
>
I was diagnosed with PF and other foot problems. Wore special orthotics for
years. Did all the exercises. Pain never went away until I stopped eating
potatoes. Clear to me that there can be many causes for your foot
problems - and not all of them are below the knee.
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Date: 14 Mar 2006 08:29:28
From: jgs
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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I keep it simple.
I place my heel on a can or tuck my foot up on the bench I am sitting
on - just so that the foot is flexed. I put 1-2 wraps of tape around
(snugly) the arch. Don't go too tight, when you put weight on the foot
it will expand against the tape.
I place it high enough up the foot to support the arch but not so high
that it sits where the foot and ankle begin to flex.
So probably not quite as far up the foot as your shoes lace. You just
don't want the tape where it tugs at the skin.
You have to play with it - watch for blisters. If you do get a small
blister - just take a tag end of tape and place it dry side down on the
blister and tape over it. They go away in a few days.
I like the Johnson & Johnson Coach tape. It is well ventilated,
flexible and pulls off nicely.
Be advised, I came up with this on my own but it works for me.
Free advice is worth every penny you pay for it.
Good luck.
/john
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Date: 14 Mar 2006 05:15:08
From: jgs
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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I think Userfriendly is right. You need to find what is right for you.
For my nagging PF, I know that the "toe off" in my running, or the
running hills is what makes the PF flair up.
If I can use the Night Splint (30 - 45 mins) to get stretched and run
flatfooted in the hills I can keep things under control. I have gone
through complete recovery, just to flair up again once normal activity
is resumed.
I find that taping the arch, using a night splint, custom Orthotics
rolling a soup can underfoot keep me running and pain free - I am
never far from a flare up. I have learned to live with it.
/john
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Date: 14 Mar 2006 15:37:50
From: Jack
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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On 14 Mar 2006 05:15:08 -0800, "jgs" <john.skewes@gmail.com > wrote:
>I think Userfriendly is right. You need to find what is right for you.
>For my nagging PF, I know that the "toe off" in my running, or the
>running hills is what makes the PF flair up.
>If I can use the Night Splint (30 - 45 mins) to get stretched and run
>flatfooted in the hills I can keep things under control. I have gone
>through complete recovery, just to flair up again once normal activity
>is resumed.
>I find that taping the arch, using a night splint, custom Orthotics
>rolling a soup can underfoot keep me running and pain free - I am
>never far from a flare up. I have learned to live with it.
>/john
Lots of folks swear by taping but very few know how to do it properly.
Especially someone like me who is all thumbs.
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Date: 14 Mar 2006 16:08:03
From: Beach Runner
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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For what it's worth, all the football teams have magnetic pulse therapy
machines. My old internist had one, and found insurance companies
wouldn't pay for it. At the time, I had a stress fracture that's
wouldn't heal, inspite of even a walking cast. 12 sessions with that and
it healed.
On the other hand, I used a podiatrist recently, who had a ultra sound
viewing, to see exactly what was going on. While he did shoot some
cortisone, he regularly shot some king of stuff to flush it out.
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Date: 16 Mar 2006 02:29:04
From: Sanchona
Subject: Re: Unpopular Cure For Plantar Fasciitis
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Lurker unlurking momentarily. :-)
Two years ago I was diagnosed with PF and my dor said only exercise
and good support shoes would clear my problem.
Yes, I rolled a empty fly-spray can with my affected foot, and took to
wearing support shoes. I also cut up my old soft sheepskin ankle boots
to make a soft support pile for the arch of my foot. It took some
months, but the pain went away and I've stopped using my support shoes
and stopped exercising (I hate exercising in any form!)
I'm ever ready to take up the exercise and use the support shoes at the
slightest twinge of pain. So far I've been lucky.
I thought I'd share my experience. :-)
All right, back to lurking.
--
Sanchona
sanchona@optusnet.com.au
http://synchona.tripod.com/index.html
First Novel: "A Family Of Strangers" will be published
by Five Star Publishing end of 2006
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