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Date: 06 Sep 2006 00:27:11
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Subject: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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I have a high arch and I pronate more than average. I have a persistent
case of shin splints.
How do over the counter insoles work? Do you take the current insole
out of the shoe and replace with an insole that will give more support?
Are high arches always bad? Are high arches a birth defect or do they
have any advantages? Do insoles correct the problem or do they make it
worse? I mean, should you try to strengthen muscles rather than make
them weaker by giving artificial support.
I happened to talk to my gp dor today and he is a runner. He thought
I should get a runner with lots of cushioning in ball of foot since I
lland on heel and rollover onto ball of foot.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 09:43:56
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Subject: Re: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have a high arch and I pronate more than average. I have a persistent
> case of shin splints.
> How do over the counter insoles work? Do you take the current insole
> out of the shoe and replace with an insole that will give more support?
> Are high arches always bad? Are high arches a birth defect or do they
> have any advantages? Do insoles correct the problem or do they make it
> worse? I mean, should you try to strengthen muscles rather than make
> them weaker by giving artificial support.
Properly chosen arch supports and orthotics redistribute the impact and
working forces in your feet, legs, and back. This benefits both
muscular and skeletal systems. Your muscles will shrink in some areas
and swell in others because the workload will shift. The orthotic only
does the work of holding your foot in a different shape - your feet and
legs still do the running. With an orthotic, your joints will take the
load more in the manner in which they are designed.
So really the only strength you'll lose is the strength developed by
your muscles specifically for compensating for the poor force
transmission in your legs. This 'strength' is neither useful nor good
for the joints involved.
High arches, low arches, normal arches - they are all kind of
irrelevant. What matters is how the foot impacts the ground and how
the force is transmitted. The analysis of your gait is the important
thing.
> I happened to talk to my gp dor today and he is a runner. He thought
> I should get a runner with lots of cushioning in ball of foot since I
> lland on heel and rollover onto ball of foot.
You should see a podiatrist with experience helping runners. Get an
orthotic - the over-the-counter insoles are simply someone's guess of
the average person's feet with their guess of what will realign that
foot and leg joints properly. In other words, it's a stab in the dark.
Just based on the fact that most otc insoles are for people with low
arches, and you describe high arches, it's even more of a crapshoot.
Dave
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 23:44:45
From:
Subject: Re: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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Wow, Thanks for a great answer. Analysis of gait makes sense. I hope i
find someone who can video my gait and give me a dvd.
dgeesaman@gmail.com wrote:
> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I have a high arch and I pronate more than average. I have a persistent
> > case of shin splints.
> > How do over the counter insoles work? Do you take the current insole
> > out of the shoe and replace with an insole that will give more support?
> > Are high arches always bad? Are high arches a birth defect or do they
> > have any advantages? Do insoles correct the problem or do they make it
> > worse? I mean, should you try to strengthen muscles rather than make
> > them weaker by giving artificial support.
>
> Properly chosen arch supports and orthotics redistribute the impact and
> working forces in your feet, legs, and back. This benefits both
> muscular and skeletal systems. Your muscles will shrink in some areas
> and swell in others because the workload will shift. The orthotic only
> does the work of holding your foot in a different shape - your feet and
> legs still do the running. With an orthotic, your joints will take the
> load more in the manner in which they are designed.
>
> So really the only strength you'll lose is the strength developed by
> your muscles specifically for compensating for the poor force
> transmission in your legs. This 'strength' is neither useful nor good
> for the joints involved.
>
> High arches, low arches, normal arches - they are all kind of
> irrelevant. What matters is how the foot impacts the ground and how
> the force is transmitted. The analysis of your gait is the important
> thing.
>
> > I happened to talk to my gp dor today and he is a runner. He thought
> > I should get a runner with lots of cushioning in ball of foot since I
> > lland on heel and rollover onto ball of foot.
>
> You should see a podiatrist with experience helping runners. Get an
> orthotic - the over-the-counter insoles are simply someone's guess of
> the average person's feet with their guess of what will realign that
> foot and leg joints properly. In other words, it's a stab in the dark.
> Just based on the fact that most otc insoles are for people with low
> arches, and you describe high arches, it's even more of a crapshoot.
>
> Dave
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:34:47
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157611485.633577.269890@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, Thanks for a great answer. Analysis of gait makes sense. I hope i
> find someone who can video my gait and give me a dvd.
For those that have PF problems. As for your moccasins please note #!.
""Plantar fasciitis has been discussed ad nauseum. Typically, PF will
hurt
worse when getting out of bed or if sitting and getting up.
Go to drpribut.com for an extended description of the problem and
treatment
options. Here's the Reader's Digest version:
1. Don't go barefoot- Wear your athletic shoes even around the house
or
sandals/clogs with arch support such as birkenstocks's, crocs, etc.
2. Ice- Fill a 20 oz plastic bottle with water and put in freezer.
Roll
from heel to arch continuously for 15 minutes at least once/day
3. Shoes- Be sure to wear shoes that are correct for your foot
structure.
Both during running and during daily activity.
4. Stretching- Be sure to stretch your Achilles tendon and before you
get
up from bed or sitting, curl your toes down 10 times to loosen the PF
5. Professional help- May require orthotics or OTC arch supports, PT,
etc.
Go to a sports med Podiatrist or other specialist that doesn't just say,
"stop running" ""
""Also what a lot of people fail to realize is that although you feel
the pain
in the heel (essentially the fascia is trying to pull from the heel) the
problem is usually in the midpoint of the foot (middle of the arch area)
inflammation from any number of sources (overuse trauma from rocks etc)
causes fluid build up in the tissues of the fascial which since they're
fixed
length (don't elongate too well) the build up shortens the fascia and
something has to give.
The ice treatments (water bottle idea is great) helps reduce the
inflammation,
massage in the middle of the foot especially will help workout the
inflammation and light stretching, done properly, will help. Approach it
from
all three sides and depending on how far you let it go (you did not tell
how
long or how severe it was) you can get rid of it in 1 to 2 weeks. Let it
go
to long and it could take considerably longer.
When stretching I place my thumb on the bottom of my foot right where
the heel
starts to turn down (the very from part of the heal bone) place moderate
preassure on it to keep from pulling on the fascia bone interface. the
with
the other hand pull your toes up/back to stretch the fascia without
pulling
against the heal. The pain you feel in the morning is the freshly heal
connections of the fascia being pulled back off. So by stretching before
getting out of bed and putting on shoes/birks before standing will help
keep
the newly heal sections intact. ""
Don't say I didn't give you some good scoop leech. I'm hoping others
will benefit.
-Doug
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 17:49:36
From:
Subject: Re: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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Is this another attempt to torment me, Doug? I have shin splints not
plantar fascitis.
Doug Freese wrote:
> <seatosummit28@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157611485.633577.269890@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Wow, Thanks for a great answer. Analysis of gait makes sense. I hope i
> > find someone who can video my gait and give me a dvd.
>
> For those that have PF problems. As for your moccasins please note #!.
>
> ""Plantar fasciitis has been discussed ad nauseum. Typically, PF will
> hurt
> worse when getting out of bed or if sitting and getting up.
>
> Go to drpribut.com for an extended description of the problem and
> treatment
> options. Here's the Reader's Digest version:
>
> 1. Don't go barefoot- Wear your athletic shoes even around the house
> or
> sandals/clogs with arch support such as birkenstocks's, crocs, etc.
> 2. Ice- Fill a 20 oz plastic bottle with water and put in freezer.
> Roll
> from heel to arch continuously for 15 minutes at least once/day
> 3. Shoes- Be sure to wear shoes that are correct for your foot
> structure.
> Both during running and during daily activity.
> 4. Stretching- Be sure to stretch your Achilles tendon and before you
> get
> up from bed or sitting, curl your toes down 10 times to loosen the PF
> 5. Professional help- May require orthotics or OTC arch supports, PT,
> etc.
> Go to a sports med Podiatrist or other specialist that doesn't just say,
> "stop running" ""
>
> ""Also what a lot of people fail to realize is that although you feel
> the pain
> in the heel (essentially the fascia is trying to pull from the heel) the
> problem is usually in the midpoint of the foot (middle of the arch area)
> inflammation from any number of sources (overuse trauma from rocks etc)
> causes fluid build up in the tissues of the fascial which since they're
> fixed
> length (don't elongate too well) the build up shortens the fascia and
> something has to give.
> The ice treatments (water bottle idea is great) helps reduce the
> inflammation,
> massage in the middle of the foot especially will help workout the
> inflammation and light stretching, done properly, will help. Approach it
> from
> all three sides and depending on how far you let it go (you did not tell
> how
> long or how severe it was) you can get rid of it in 1 to 2 weeks. Let it
> go
> to long and it could take considerably longer.
> When stretching I place my thumb on the bottom of my foot right where
> the heel
> starts to turn down (the very from part of the heal bone) place moderate
> preassure on it to keep from pulling on the fascia bone interface. the
> with
> the other hand pull your toes up/back to stretch the fascia without
> pulling
> against the heal. The pain you feel in the morning is the freshly heal
> connections of the fascia being pulled back off. So by stretching before
> getting out of bed and putting on shoes/birks before standing will help
> keep
> the newly heal sections intact. ""
>
>
> Don't say I didn't give you some good scoop leech. I'm hoping others
> will benefit.
>
> -Doug
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 19:58:44
From:
Subject: Re: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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Thanks for the input.
BobB wrote:
> I have a very high arch and I use Spendco 3/4 length inserts under the
> normal shoe insert. To accommodate my foot and the inserts I get a 1/2 size
> larger shoe and skip one of the bow ties on my shoe laces to reduce pressure
> on the top of my foot.
>
> Bob
> <seatosummit28@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157527631.432145.286230@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I have a high arch and I pronate more than average. I have a persistent
> > case of shin splints.
> > How do over the counter insoles work? Do you take the current insole
> > out of the shoe and replace with an insole that will give more support?
> > Are high arches always bad? Are high arches a birth defect or do they
> > have any advantages? Do insoles correct the problem or do they make it
> > worse? I mean, should you try to strengthen muscles rather than make
> > them weaker by giving artificial support.
> >
> > I happened to talk to my gp dor today and he is a runner. He thought
> > I should get a runner with lots of cushioning in ball of foot since I
> > lland on heel and rollover onto ball of foot.
> >
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:10:50
From: BobB
Subject: Re: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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I have a very high arch and I use Spendco 3/4 length inserts under the
normal shoe insert. To accommodate my foot and the inserts I get a 1/2 size
larger shoe and skip one of the bow ties on my shoe laces to reduce pressure
on the top of my foot.
Bob
<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157527631.432145.286230@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I have a high arch and I pronate more than average. I have a persistent
> case of shin splints.
> How do over the counter insoles work? Do you take the current insole
> out of the shoe and replace with an insole that will give more support?
> Are high arches always bad? Are high arches a birth defect or do they
> have any advantages? Do insoles correct the problem or do they make it
> worse? I mean, should you try to strengthen muscles rather than make
> them weaker by giving artificial support.
>
> I happened to talk to my gp dor today and he is a runner. He thought
> I should get a runner with lots of cushioning in ball of foot since I
> lland on heel and rollover onto ball of foot.
>
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 22:28:38
From: Kaz Kylheku
Subject: Re: Orthotics versus over-the-counter insoles
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> I happened to talk to my gp dor today and he is a runner. He thought
> I should get a runner with lots of cushioning in ball of foot since I
> lland on heel and rollover onto ball of foot.
Dumbass, that is why you have shin splints: because you land on the
heel.
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