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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:36:54
From: Beginning runner
Subject: My next race
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Searching active.com I found that there's a 3 mile (not 5K) race at 9 PM
New Years Eve. I don't have any plans for that night, so I was thinking
about entering it. It will be four weeks between races.
Given my current level of training and such, is that enough time, or
should I give myself more time between races?
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 10:50:14
From: Black Metal Martha
Subject: Re: My next race
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Beginning runner wrote:
> In article <_aidh.2774$Qa7.881@trnddc03>,
> "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
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> > So, what is your "reason" for racing?
>
> 1. For the fun of it.
> 2. To test myself.
> 3. Because just plain running can get boring eventually.
> 4. For the social atmosphere of being with people who share a common
> interest.
> 5. To possibly have a tangible acknowledgement of my efforts; an award
> for placing would be nice, but even a finisher's award is an earned
> tangible.
Yes! I love racing.
I woudl suggest though, to continue to leave your Ipod at home for
races. For me it's more fun to co-mingle then isolate myself with
earplugs.
Congrats on your first race!!!
:)
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 13:59:50
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <1165344612.229521.217800@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"Black Metal Martha" <bastmag666@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I woudl suggest though, to continue to leave your Ipod at home for
> races. For me it's more fun to co-mingle then isolate myself with
> earplugs.
Well, I was pretty much by myself for most of the race, there were packs
ahead of me and behind me, but except at some bottlenecks where there
was congestion, I was pretty much alone.
> Congrats on your first race!!!
Thanks.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 10:25:19
From: Sean
Subject: Re: My next race
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Given reason 3, I would heartily recommend racing every two-four weeks.
But see if you can find fun, challenging xc races this time of year
rather than PB courses. You'll thank yourself in the Spring.
Cheers,
-Sean.
Beginning runner wrote:
> In article <_aidh.2774$Qa7.881@trnddc03>,
> "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> > So, what is your "reason" for racing?
>
> 1. For the fun of it.
> 2. To test myself.
> 3. Because just plain running can get boring eventually.
> 4. For the social atmosphere of being with people who share a common
> interest.
> 5. To possibly have a tangible acknowledgement of my efforts; an award
> for placing would be nice, but even a finisher's award is an earned
> tangible.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:30:28
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <1165343119.035161.64010@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com >,
"Sean" <schester@uvic.ca > wrote:
> But see if you can find fun, challenging xc races this time of year
> rather than PB courses.
PB? I can't parse that. I assume that xc is cross country.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 16:31:10
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: My next race
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On 2006-12-05, Beginning runner <bogus@invalid.com > wrote:
> Searching active.com I found that there's a 3 mile (not 5K) race at 9 PM
> New Years Eve. I don't have any plans for that night, so I was thinking
> about entering it. It will be four weeks between races.
>
> Given my current level of training and such, is that enough time, or
> should I give myself more time between races?
It's plenty of time. Beginners should race more, not less. Go for it!
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:10:16
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <slrnenb7me.8sp.abuse@panix2.panix.com >,
Elflord <abuse@aol.com > wrote:
> > Given my current level of training and such, is that enough time,
> > or should I give myself more time between races?
>
> It's plenty of time. Beginners should race more, not less. Go for it!
Thanks. If that's plenty of time, what do you consider the minimum time
between races to be for me? Not that I'd race that often, but I am
interested.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:29:20
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: My next race
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On 2006-12-05, Beginning runner <bogus@invalid.com > wrote:
> In article <slrnenb7me.8sp.abuse@panix2.panix.com>,
> Elflord <abuse@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> > Given my current level of training and such, is that enough time,
>> > or should I give myself more time between races?
>>
>> It's plenty of time. Beginners should race more, not less. Go for it!
>
> Thanks. If that's plenty of time, what do you consider the minimum time
> between races to be for me? Not that I'd race that often, but I am
> interested.
Recommend 1-2 races each month, at least a week between every two.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:51:06
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <slrnenbek1.ei6.abuse@panix2.panix.com >,
Elflord <abuse@aol.com > wrote:
> > Thanks. If that's plenty of time, what do you consider the minimum
> > time between races to be for me? Not that I'd race that often, but
> > I am interested.
>
> Recommend 1-2 races each month, at least a week between every two.
Thanks. I wouldn't have thought that a week would be enough time. But
I wouldn't want to race that frequently anyway; I want to have a more
flexible schedule in my life, if for no other reason.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:22:15
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: My next race
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"Beginning runner" <bogus@invalid.com > wrote
> Thanks. If that's plenty of time, what do you consider the minimum time
> between races to be for me? Not that I'd race that often, but I am
> interested.
1.5 to 2 days per mile raced has always worked for me. Although for longer
races (half marathon and up) I tend to go 2 days/mile.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:31:45
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <rNidh.6725$sf5.5424@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Dan Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com > wrote:
> > Thanks. If that's plenty of time, what do you consider the minimum time
> > between races to be for me? Not that I'd race that often, but I am
> > interested.
>
> 1.5 to 2 days per mile raced has always worked for me. Although for longer
> races (half marathon and up) I tend to go 2 days/mile.
So you're saying that I could run a 5K race every five or six days?
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 19:02:55
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: My next race
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"Beginning runner" <bogus@invalid.com > wrote
>> 1.5 to 2 days per mile raced has always worked for me. Although for
>> longer
>> races (half marathon and up) I tend to go 2 days/mile.
> So you're saying that I could run a 5K race every five or six days?
Yes, although you need to be mindful of injuries and getting run down,
especially since you don't have months of consistent running behind you.
As a beginner, I'd limit it to every 2 weeks. As you get more miles under
your belt, you might find that weekly 5k's are no big deal.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 21:32:34
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: My next race
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On 2006-12-05, Beginning runner <bogus@invalid.com > wrote:
> In article <rNidh.6725$sf5.5424@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Dan Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> > Thanks. If that's plenty of time, what do you consider the minimum time
>> > between races to be for me? Not that I'd race that often, but I am
>> > interested.
>>
>> 1.5 to 2 days per mile raced has always worked for me. Although for longer
>> races (half marathon and up) I tend to go 2 days/mile.
>
> So you're saying that I could run a 5K race every five or six days?
Dan's giving the amount of time for your basic recovery from the race (muscle
recovery, etc). It's what might be considered an absolute minimum -- you could
do two races 5-6 days apart, but he's not saying that it's sustainable.
When you take into account "big picture issues", which include things staying
fresh mentally, it's a good idea to race not so frequently. These "big picture
issues" vary considerably between individuals, so it's hard to make up "rules"
about them. But as a general principle, beginners usually enjoy rapid gains
in performance, and consequently often find it rewarding to race frequently.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 15:58:16
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <slrnenbpbj.md7.abuse@panix2.panix.com >,
Elflord <abuse@aol.com > wrote:
> > So you're saying that I could run a 5K race every five or six days?
>
> Dan's giving the amount of time for your basic recovery from the race
> (muscle recovery, etc).
Oh, that makes a bit more sense to me.
I took today off; normally it would be my first run in a week. I slept
about ten hours last night; I usually sleep about six or seven. And I
just didn't feel up to it. But I'll be back out there tomorrow.
> But as a general principle, beginners usually enjoy rapid gains in
> performance, and consequently often find it rewarding to race
> frequently.
Understood. I'm trying to ensure that I don't overdo things, either
mentally or physically, but I know that if I slack off too much, it will
be much harder to get back into the groove.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 19:24:41
From: Dot
Subject: Re: My next race
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Beginning runner wrote:
> In article <rNidh.6725$sf5.5424@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Dan Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Thanks. If that's plenty of time, what do you consider the minimum time
>>>between races to be for me? Not that I'd race that often, but I am
>>>interested.
>>
>>1.5 to 2 days per mile raced has always worked for me. Although for longer
>>races (half marathon and up) I tend to go 2 days/mile.
>
>
> So you're saying that I could run a 5K race every five or six days?
Theoretically, and some people do. A lot depends on your intensity of
the race and how that compared with your training. The trick is to
listen to your body.
Some folks, like myself (focusing on longer distances, doing no
speedwork), may find the shorter races like 5k's harder to recover from
because the intensity is higher than longer races - and forms a
less-frequent part of their training / adaptation.
Dot
--
"If we reach all our goals, we are not setting them high enough."
- Matt Carpenter
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 21:35:08
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: My next race
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On 2006-12-05, Dot <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote:
> Some folks, like myself (focusing on longer distances, doing no
> speedwork), may find the shorter races like 5k's harder to recover from
> because the intensity is higher than longer races - and forms a
> less-frequent part of their training / adaptation.
Indeed, I know some runners (usually a little older than me) who injure
themselves in something really short (like a mile) and take months to
recover... I think shorter races are simply a distraction if you're targeting
long stuff. For a marathoner, a 5k race is a diversion.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 13:57:31
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article
<ZHjdh.430231$QZ1.342700@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net >,
Dot <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote:
> > So you're saying that I could run a 5K race every five or six days?
>
> Theoretically, and some people do. A lot depends on your intensity of
> the race and how that compared with your training. The trick is to
> listen to your body.
>
> Some folks, like myself (focusing on longer distances, doing no
> speedwork), may find the shorter races like 5k's harder to recover
> from because the intensity is higher than longer races - and forms a
> less-frequent part of their training / adaptation.
Well, since my long-term plans/goals are to go longer distances, I think
that I'll do 5K races no more frequently than once a month, and probably
less frequently than that.
Thanks.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 17:41:14
From: bj
Subject: Re: My next race
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"Elflord" <abuse@aol.com > wrote in message
news:slrnenb7me.8sp.abuse@panix2.panix.com...
> On 2006-12-05, Beginning runner <bogus@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Searching active.com I found that there's a 3 mile (not 5K) race at 9 PM
>> New Years Eve. I don't have any plans for that night, so I was thinking
>> about entering it. It will be four weeks between races.
>>
>> Given my current level of training and such, is that enough time, or
>> should I give myself more time between races?
>
> It's plenty of time. Beginners should race more, not less. Go for it!
>
Remember, this is supposed to be *fun* -- or do you have another objective
in mind?
I "participate" in a lot of races. I go as faster as I can, which isn't
very. I win a fair number of age group awards (it's not that big of an age
group! & in the larger scheme of things I'm about middling for my
age-group). And I have fun. I've skipped a couple of events that I'd signed
up for because I wasn't feeling well & knew I'd be miserable the whole day
(making myself sicker wouldn't help either).
So, what is your "reason" for racing?
Some won't race if they don't have a good chance of winning or at least
placing very high.
Some won't race if they don't think they can do some particular time or
better some other performance.
Some (like me) just do it for fun. Some of them also win a lot of awards.
It's part of my general fitness & social activity & I do it for fun. Awards
are nice but not necessary. I get quilts made out of the t-shirts -- makes a
nice, usable memento.
bj
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:28:41
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: My next race
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On 2006-12-05, bj <bjones44@bellatlantic.net > wrote:
>
> "Elflord" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnenb7me.8sp.abuse@panix2.panix.com...
>> On 2006-12-05, Beginning runner <bogus@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> Searching active.com I found that there's a 3 mile (not 5K) race at 9 PM
>>> New Years Eve. I don't have any plans for that night, so I was thinking
>>> about entering it. It will be four weeks between races.
>>>
>>> Given my current level of training and such, is that enough time, or
>>> should I give myself more time between races?
>>
>> It's plenty of time. Beginners should race more, not less. Go for it!
>>
>
> Remember, this is supposed to be *fun* -- or do you have another objective
> in mind?
>
> I "participate" in a lot of races. I go as faster as I can, which isn't
> very.
"participate" is good enough (-; I recommend beginners "participate", or
whatever they want to call it at least once a month.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:14:40
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <_aidh.2774$Qa7.881@trnddc03 >,
"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net > wrote:
> So, what is your "reason" for racing?
1. For the fun of it.
2. To test myself.
3. Because just plain running can get boring eventually.
4. For the social atmosphere of being with people who share a common
interest.
5. To possibly have a tangible acknowledgement of my efforts; an award
for placing would be nice, but even a finisher's award is an earned
tangible.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:31:52
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: My next race
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On 2006-12-05, Beginning runner <bogus@invalid.com > wrote:
> In article <_aidh.2774$Qa7.881@trnddc03>,
> "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
>> So, what is your "reason" for racing?
>
> 1. For the fun of it.
> 2. To test myself.
> 3. Because just plain running can get boring eventually.
> 4. For the social atmosphere of being with people who share a common
> interest.
> 5. To possibly have a tangible acknowledgement of my efforts; an award
> for placing would be nice, but even a finisher's award is an earned
> tangible.
(6) all of the above (-; Those are all reasons I recommend beginners run
frequently,
(1), (5) very much so, for everyone!
(2) it's good to get frequent feedback in the "beginner gains"
phase of training, (3), (4), because beginners often aren't hookend into other
fun/social running activities (clubs etc), and showing up at races not only
serves this purpose, can also open up doors re joining running clubs etc.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 06:59:58
From: Mrs. Tberry
Subject: Re: My next race
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In my opinion, you should have no trouble, 4 weeks is plenty of time.
Some people race every weekend.
If you are expecting to see a drastic change in your time, I wouldn't
get your hopes up too much. I think it should be easy for you to shave
30 secs. to 1 min. off, if you've been maintaining your training and
work towards not walking at all during the race. I would try to do a
few runs at that time of night to prepare your body for it (and to get
a good idea of what you can expect your body to do), especially if
you've been running in the early a.m.
Beginning runner wrote:
> Given my current level of training and such, is that enough time, or
> should I give myself more time between races?
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:18:31
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <1165330798.543938.176940@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com >,
"Mrs. Tberry" <tarathornberry@gmail.com > wrote:
> In my opinion, you should have no trouble, 4 weeks is plenty of time.
> Some people race every weekend.
Yeah, but I'd wager that they're not beginners. <g > Even if I could
recover fast enough for that, I wouldn't. I do have a life, after all.
:)
> If you are expecting to see a drastic change in your time, I wouldn't
> get your hopes up too much.
Nope, I don't expect to see much of an improvement--some, maybe, but not
a lot. I'd be overjoyed to shave a minute; that would be about 20
seconds a mile.
Thanks for the advice.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 09:15:25
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: My next race
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Gee, a jogger with no plans for New Year's Eve............what a shock.
I was hoping your next race would be "The Long Run, Short Pier 5k".
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 09:12:29
From: Sean
Subject: Re: My next race
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Oh, sorry! You're correct: xc = cross country. PB = Personal Best =
PR = Personal Record. By a PB course I mean a fast, flat road course
that is designed for quick times.
Cheers,
-Sean.
Beginning runner wrote:
> In article <1165343119.035161.64010@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> "Sean" <schester@uvic.ca> wrote:
>
> > But see if you can find fun, challenging xc races this time of year
> > rather than PB courses.
>
> PB? I can't parse that. I assume that xc is cross country.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 14:30:38
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: My next race
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In article <1165425149.326333.4240@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com >,
"Sean" <schester@uvic.ca > wrote:
> Oh, sorry! You're correct: xc = cross country. PB = Personal Best =
> PR = Personal Record. By a PB course I mean a fast, flat road course
> that is designed for quick times.
OK, I had never seen PB used in that context.
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