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Date: 12 Dec 2006 07:51:33
From: Tom B.
Subject: Have you checked Dean Karnazes' blog lately?
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I think I looked at it a day or so after NYC, after he decided to run
cross-country back to SF. I kind of wrote him off as a tool, but now
it's a couple of weeks later and I checked it again:
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-243-362--10870-0,00.html
I might be turning into a fan. I'm still not wild about all the
self-aggrandizement, but I had no idea he was tackling this kind of
mileage. Here's a distilled version:
Date: December 10, 2006 Miles Run: 44.47 in 8:35 hours
Date: December 9, 2006 Miles Run: 45.25 in 9:15 hours
Date: December 8, 2006 Miles Run: 42.8 in 9 hours
Date: December 7, 2006 Miles Run: 24.63 in 7 hours
Date: December 6, 2006 Miles Run: 65.17 in 12:15 hours
Date: December 5, 2006 Miles Run: 51.76 in 9:10 hours
Date: December 4, 2006 Miles Run: 44.32 in 8:45 hours
Date:December 3, 2006 Miles Run: 38.89 in 8:10 hours
Date:December 2, 2006 Miles Run: 48 in 8:35 hours
Date:December 1, 2006 Miles Run: 43.89 in 8:30 hours
Date:November 30, 2006 Miles Run: 46 in 8:50 hours
Date:November 29, 2006 Miles Run: 47.75 in 10 hours
Date:November 23-28, 2006 off
Date:November 22, 2006 Miles Run: 26.2 in 5:40 hours
Date:November 21, 2006 Miles Run: 20.68 in 4 hours
Date:November 20, 2006 off
Date:November 18-19, 2006 Miles Run: 138 in 24 hrs (24 hr
competition)
Date:November 17, 2006 off
Date:November 16, 2006 Miles Run: 25:48 in 6:15 hours
Date:November 15, 2006 Miles Run: 34.81 in 7:07 hours
Date:November 14, 2006 Miles Run: 45.23 in 11:04 hours
Date:November 13, 2006 Miles Run: 51.3 in 15:50 hours
Date:November 12, 2006 Miles Run: 26.68 in 6:20:29 hours
Date:November 11, 2006 Miles Run: 38.22 in 12:55 hours
Date:November 10, 2006 Miles Run: 38.95 in 10:45 hours
Date:November 9, 2006 Miles Run: 41.81 in 14 1/2 hours
Date:November 8, 2006 Miles Run: 53.74 in 12 1/2 hours
The way I look at it, he must have had a tough decision about whether
to jump back into this effort after taking 6 days off for Thanksgiving.
Maybe he decided to just bear down and hammer it out in as few days as
possible.
In the 12 days since that break, he's run 542.93 miles -- which
averages out to 45.24 miles a day, or 316.7 miles a week! OK, it's
only been 12 days, but that's Lindgren type of mileage. I've never
heard of anyone else attempting this (I'll admit, I don't know much
about Ted Corbitt, though). And Deano is 44 years old.
And then add to that the fact that it's DECEMBER in the midwest,
heading toward the plains and eventually the Rockies; well, I've got to
tip my cap to the guy. Especially if he makes it the rest of the way
at the same pace, and with minimal breaks. Is that even possible?
It's mind-boggling, that's for sure. It looks like I'll be following
the blog.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 10:13:11
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Have you checked Dean Karnazes' blog lately?
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Tom B. wrote:
> I might be turning into a fan. I'm still not wild about all the
> self-aggrandizement, but I had no idea he was tackling this kind of
> mileage.
I understand all that, and have softened a bit toward him myself.
But once again, nothing unprecedented here - not that this matters
much, but part of your being impressed seems to come from an impression
that he's breaking new ground. It's been done before, long before, by
many, some faster, some longer, blah blah blah.
See e.g. http://www.shoe-fitter.com/runusa.htm (but don't let him put
you in clunky trainers plus OTC orthotic inserts, as he did me for my
second pair of "real running shoes").
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 20:36:08
From: Dot
Subject: Re: Have you checked Dean Karnazes' blog lately?
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Tom B. wrote:
> I think I looked at it a day or so after NYC, after he decided to run
> cross-country back to SF.
I've been following it most days since he started the 50 marathons.
Alaska was day 16 and I was curious about how easy it would be to just
meet him (rather than pay $100 to run 26.2 mi at 10min/mi on pavement,
mostly - which is well beyond my current training) along the course or
afterward. Quite easy as it turned out - and I did run a little on the
trail part (plus some prettier single track afterward).
I was disappointed the Carmichael 50-marathon page didn't provide more
info about some of the blood work they were doing to monitor impacts.
There was some anecdotal science (n=1) coming out of the event.
I kind of wrote him off as a tool, but now
> it's a couple of weeks later and I checked it again:
> http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-243-362--10870-0,00.html
>
> I might be turning into a fan. I'm still not wild about all the
> self-aggrandizement, but I had no idea he was tackling this kind of
> mileage.
Contrary to popular opinion, he just *does* a lot of things without the
hoopla. Most of the publicity he has gotten is actually from the various
online running groups. Granted, TNF generated a lot of publicity, but
that pales beside the online chatter. For example, one of the ultra
runners I know works in store where they were having the post-event
book-signing, etc. He didn't even know Dean was going to be there that
day. He was totally unaware of the negative online comments. Obviously
this guy probably spends more time running and biking than he does
online and looks at achievements. ;) I had been at a get-together Sat
night with other runners, including this guy, and deliberately didn't
ask if anyone else was going for fear of some of the comments. After
talking with the guy in the store, I felt bad about not saying something
since he said he might have run with him he'd known.
Fortunately, real world is very different from the online world.
Not sure if Dean truly had as little prep and thinking ahead for this as
he suggests, but it's classic Karno - not unlike his all night run when
he turned 30 and was looking for himself. Just do it. Some support did
catch up with him after he got going.
<snipped days and distances >
Buried in there as you mention is the 24-hr National Championships in TX
(2 wk after NYCM, I think) where he came in 4th male (5th overall - got
chicked) with 13x mi, iirc. Just missed making the national team. The
winner had 14x, then a small gap, and, iirc, the next few positions,
including DK, were clustered within about 2 mi of each other. When you
look at his pace for the 50 marathons, that's not all that different
from the 24-hr pace. I think It's interesting how little or nothing was
mentioned of this on any of the online groups, esp. the one that was
most critical of him.
Just an obvservation, the guy's 4x, just missed 3 hr in NYCM, and was
running over 26 mi the next day - and the next and the next... Then does
over 130 mi in 24 hr and is back running again a couple days later. He
does take some time off for an award in KY and spending time in DC with
his family for Thanksgiving. And I'll admit I was wondering if he'd
extend the break until after Christmas so he could be with family. But
how's everyone else's NYCM recovery going? There's something to be said
about training the miles, *if* you can handle it. He's only been running
like this since he turned 30.
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> The way I look at it, he must have had a tough decision about whether
> to jump back into this effort after taking 6 days off for Thanksgiving.
> Maybe he decided to just bear down and hammer it out in as few days as
> possible.
At one time, he commented on wanting to spend some time in the schools
along the way, but I haven't seen any comments to that extent or
actually happening recently.
>
> In the 12 days since that break, he's run 542.93 miles -- which
> averages out to 45.24 miles a day, or 316.7 miles a week! OK, it's
> only been 12 days, but that's Lindgren type of mileage.
But it's not as fast as many of the cross-country runners go. 40+ mi/day
(just under 50, iirc) is what the Iditarod Trail Invitational runners
can average going to Nome (1100 mi) on snowmachine trails in Alaska
winter and that includes the time weathered in.
I've never
> heard of anyone else attempting this (I'll admit, I don't know much
> about Ted Corbitt, though). And Deano is 44 years old.
There's usually some every summer.
>
> And then add to that the fact that it's DECEMBER in the midwest,
> heading toward the plains and eventually the Rockies; well, I've got to
> tip my cap to the guy.
That's what I've been wondering. I think at one time he was estimating
finishing in January. (wouldn't surprise me if there's a Christmas break
in there) That'll put him in the Rockies at some, ah, suboptimal
conditions. He was having trouble with ice on one of the hills the other
day, so I sent him some ideas about screw shoes and assorted traction
devices he might be able to find along the way.
He also comments about most people doing this west to east (winds?).
He's one of the few to do it east to west. Like you said, he sure didn't
pick an optimal time for weather conditions.
>Especially if he makes it the rest of the way
> at the same pace, and with minimal breaks. Is that even possible?
> It's mind-boggling, that's for sure. It looks like I'll be following
> the blog.
>
It's really is good reading. I've been following since September.
Dot
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"If we reach all our goals, we are not setting them high enough."
- Matt Carpenter
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 11:17:40
From: Tom B.
Subject: Re: Have you checked Dean Karnazes' blog lately?
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:
> Tom B. wrote:
> > I might be turning into a fan. I'm still not wild about all the
> > self-aggrandizement, but I had no idea he was tackling this kind of
> > mileage.
>
> I understand all that, and have softened a bit toward him myself.
>
> But once again, nothing unprecedented here - not that this matters
> much, but part of your being impressed seems to come from an impression
> that he's breaking new ground. It's been done before, long before, by
> many, some faster, some longer, blah blah blah.
>
> See e.g. http://www.shoe-fitter.com/runusa.htm (but don't let him put
> you in clunky trainers plus OTC orthotic inserts, as he did me for my
> second pair of "real running shoes").
When I saw this guy's picture, I realized I had seen it before,
probably a couple of months ago when all the Deano hoopla began on
letsrun. Did a little more searching, and came across a larger list of
trans-Am runners:
http://www.seejohnrun.com/Trans_USA_Ultra.htm
66+ miles a day blows Deano away; no argument there. But... Frank was
28 years old, not 44. And I don't think he started in November. And,
he was a nobody (relatively speaking), so there was no pressure to
perform. Dean's a rich man, definitely a success by any reasonable
definition, and this venture has a lot of potential downside.
What chance do you give him (Deano, that is) to keep up his current
pace and finish this thing off?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 05:40:35
From: Tom B.
Subject: Dean is done
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Oh well, looks like Deano has packed it in. I'll still give him some
props for re-starting after Thanksgiving, and hanging in there for 17
pretty tough days in a row. If I figured this right, he ran 750.85
miles in those 17 days, for an average of 44.16 miles a day. I'll
barely top that total in an entire year! (should be about 900 miles
for me in 2006)
In case you're wondering whether this will tarnish his rep, I'd say it
looks like the K-man's publicity machine will be working overtime all
winter to keep his name in lights in 2007:
http://rodale.typepad.com/deans_run_home/
If he plays his cards right, he may end up being loathed by every
serious runner in the US, while still becoming the most popular and
successful runner of all time (to the masses).
Final stats:
Date: December 15, 2006 Miles Run: 28.73 in 6:36 hours
Date: December 14, 2006 Miles Run: 44.92 in 9:15 hours
Date: December 13, 2006 Miles Run: 50.17 in 10:20 hours
Date: December 12, 2006 Miles Run: 41.43 in 8:15 hours
Date: December 11, 2006 Miles Run: 42.67 in 7:48 hours
Date: December 10, 2006 Miles Run: 44.47 in 8:35 hours
Date: December 9, 2006 Miles Run: 45.25 in 9:15 hours
Date: December 8, 2006 Miles Run: 42.8 in 9 hours
Date: December 7, 2006 Miles Run: 24.63 in 7 hours
Date: December 6, 2006 Miles Run: 65.17 in 12:15 hours
Date: December 5, 2006 Miles Run: 51.76 in 9:10 hours
Date: December 4, 2006 Miles Run: 44.32 in 8:45 hours
Date:December 3, 2006 Miles Run: 38.89 in 8:10 hours
Date:December 2, 2006 Miles Run: 48 in 8:35 hours
Date:December 1, 2006 Miles Run: 43.89 in 8:30 hours
Date:November 30, 2006 Miles Run: 46 in 8:50 hours
Date:November 29, 2006 Miles Run: 47.75 in 10 hours
Date:November 23-28, 2006 off
Date:November 22, 2006 Miles Run: 26.2 in 5:40 hours
Date:November 21, 2006 Miles Run: 20.68 in 4 hours
Date:November 20, 2006 off
Date:November 18-19, 2006 Miles Run: 138 in 24 hrs (24 hr
competition)
Date:November 17, 2006 off
Date:November 16, 2006 Miles Run: 25:48 in 6:15 hours
Date:November 15, 2006 Miles Run: 34.81 in 7:07 hours
Date:November 14, 2006 Miles Run: 45.23 in 11:04 hours
Date:November 13, 2006 Miles Run: 51.3 in 15:50 hours
Date:November 12, 2006 Miles Run: 26.68 in 6:20:29 hours
Date:November 11, 2006 Miles Run: 38.22 in 12:55 hours
Date:November 10, 2006 Miles Run: 38.95 in 10:45 hours
Date:November 9, 2006 Miles Run: 41.81 in 14 1/2 hours
Date:November 8, 2006 Miles Run: 53.74 in 12 1/2 hours
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:09:27
From: Dot
Subject: Re: Dean is done
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Tom B. wrote:
> Oh well, looks like Deano has packed it in.
I was wondering how he was going to deal with Christmas and family, not
to mention mountains in winter. Looks like family came first. Good for
him for being able to do that. Like he said, he really hadn't given the
run home a lot of thought - although I don't think he needs all the
support he thinks he needs - unless for a pied piper event, which it did
turn out to be.
Dot
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"If we reach all our goals, we are not setting them high enough."
- Matt Carpenter
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 19:02:47
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: Dean is done
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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote in message
news:HNWhh.527628$QZ1.353640@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Tom B. wrote:
> > Oh well, looks like Deano has packed it in.
>
> I was wondering how he was going to deal with Christmas and family, not
> to mention mountains in winter. Looks like family came first. Good for
> him for being able to do that. Like he said, he really hadn't given the
> run home a lot of thought - although I don't think he needs all the
> support he thinks he needs - unless for a pied piper event, which it did
> turn out to be.
>
> Dot
Given the weather befalling the middle of the USA so far this year, he
probably thought better of it - wise choice. And as others have pointed out
the transcontinental has been done many times and faster, etc, so if his
goal was to have it be the 'hello america' social fest that it seemed (at
least to me), that's better done in milder weather.
-Tony
> --
> "If we reach all our goals, we are not setting them high enough."
> - Matt Carpenter
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