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Date: 22 Jul 2006 14:37:34
From: Mark Hutchinson
Subject: Congrats, Floyd!
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American domination of the TDF continues! Love it! Enjoy the
champagne ride tomorrow.
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Date: 23 Jul 2006 15:29:22
From: 32 degrees
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sections-qqqm=arena-qqqa=sport-qqqid=7522-qqqx=1.asp
If you're interested in his history, training, biography, etc. here it is.
He was training at 50 hours/week at one point.
50 hours x 8 min/mile = approx 400 miles/ week running ??
JK
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 08:47:36
From: TheTBR
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Mark Hutchinson wrote:
> American domination of the TDF continues! Love it! Enjoy the
> champagne ride tomorrow.
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What exactly does this have to do with rec.running?
Go away, spamming troll.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 18:03:30
From: Tony S.
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> X-No-Archive: yes
> Mark Hutchinson wrote:
> > American domination of the TDF continues! Love it! Enjoy the
> > champagne ride tomorrow.
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> What exactly does this have to do with rec.running?
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> Go away, spamming troll.
Not... It's a great sports story, for all endurance athletes.
Read about the action stage-by-stage:
www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/tour06/06index.php
Some good background articles:
http://outside.away.com/outside/features/200607/tour-de-france-2006-floyd-la
ndis-1.html
http://www.velonews.com/race/dom/articles/9487.0.html
Also the NY times Sunday magazine section from July 16th is great in
detailing the kind of pain he's lived with for the last few years, and how
he fooled everyone about his injury.
-Tony
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 10:35:02
From: Mark Hutchinson
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"TheTBR" <thebillrogers@yahoo.com > wrote
> Mark Hutchinson wrote:
>> American domination of the TDF continues! Love it! Enjoy
>> the champagne ride tomorrow.
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> What exactly does this have to do with rec.running?
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> Go away, spamming troll.
Well, look what the cat dragged in! Man, you're like a turd
that refuses to flush.
What exactly does this have to do with rec.running? Nothing,
you nitwit. But it's got everything to do with acknowledging
one of the greatest sports performances of our time.
Now go crawl back under your rock.
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 09:07:18
From: Grizlie Zowtuc
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saw the dude. look lose in the seat first time. then he got
stallion.....
cheetah back....me I use to hit my bellies...with my knees....I can't
get that low fer long time.better thou....I need to get back into this.
like 13.4 a day times 360/365.but better.....
must of saw a hottie? french ....figures.
Cat-nip=1
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 01:06:38
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How about congrats for Oscar pierero. He finished less than a minute
behind Floyd. after 20 days, i think if they are that close they should
call it a tie.
Mark Hutchinson wrote:
> American domination of the TDF continues! Love it! Enjoy the
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 16:49:20
From: Mark Hutchinson
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote
> How about congrats for Oscar pierero.
For what? For losing the Tour to a guy with one hip? That's
almost as bad as losing to a guy with one nut.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 17:59:49
From: Doug Freese
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"Mark Hutchinson" <marhutch@goamil.com > wrote in message
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>> How about congrats for Oscar pierero.
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> For what? For losing the Tour to a guy with one hip? That's
> almost as bad as losing to a guy with one nut.
Cold, Mark, real cold.
-DF
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 17:13:01
From: Mark Hutchinson
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote
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> "Mark Hutchinson" <marhutch@goamil.com> wrote in message
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>> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote
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>>> How about congrats for Oscar pierero.
>>
>> For what? For losing the Tour to a guy with one hip? That's
>> almost as bad as losing to a guy with one nut.
>
> Cold, Mark, real cold.
I know. But witty, no? You think I'm gonna have ol' "gty" have
all the fun?
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 10:32:47
From: Doug Freese
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<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> How about congrats for Oscar pierero. He finished less than a minute
> behind Floyd.
I think every rider that contributes deserves an applause.
> after 20 days, i think if they are that close they should
> call it a tie.
A nice thought but quite unrealistic. What about the first place runner
that finishes .05 seconds ahead of second runner in the 100 meter race,
should we call that a tie?
Second and even third for that mater in the TDF is one hell of an
accomplishment but first by the slimmest of margins is worth major
dollars for the riders and the sponsors and that's what the ride for.
It's called a race and it's measured.
Every time I watched him ride on OLN I kept wondering how much
discomfort he was experiencing with a hip joint falling apart. Deep
down I think he highly suspects it was his last and where he got all
that determination. I know they have come a long way with hip
replacements but I question is it enough to allow him to get back into
TDF level. It would make for a great human interest story if he did and
I'd love to see it happen for both him and the sport.
-DF
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 04:27:55
From: Mark Hutchinson
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote
> I know
> they have come a long way with hip replacements but I
> question is it enough to allow him to get back into TDF
> level.
It'll be a miracle, just like LA's comeback from cancer. But if
it happens it'll mean hope for all of us who plan on getting old
enough to start breaking the occasional hip.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 22:58:59
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Doug Freese wrote:
> <seatosummit28@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153901198.075938.106800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > How about congrats for Oscar pierero. He finished less than a minute
> > behind Floyd.
>
> I think every rider that contributes deserves an applause.
>
> > after 20 days, i think if they are that close they should
> > call it a tie.
>
> A nice thought but quite unrealistic. What about the first place runner
> that finishes .05 seconds ahead of second runner in the 100 meter race,
> should we call that a tie?
>
> Second and even third for that mater in the TDF is one hell of an
> accomplishment but first by the slimmest of margins is worth major
> dollars for the riders and the sponsors and that's what the ride for.
> It's called a race and it's measured.
>
> Every time I watched him ride on OLN I kept wondering how much
> discomfort he was experiencing with a hip joint falling apart. Deep
> down I think he highly suspects it was his last and where he got all
> that determination. I know they have come a long way with hip
> replacements but I question is it enough to allow him to get back into
> TDF level. It would make for a great human interest story if he did and
> I'd love to see it happen for both him and the sport.
>
> -DF
I dont know the sport well enough to judge whether 1 minute is a lot.
It seems they establish a pecking order and everyone agrees not to move
above their station.
It seems they only put in the minimum effort to beat their rival. On
the other hand, maybe it is hyper competive where you have people with
100 percent motivation and 100 percent talent competing against each
other.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 11:08:53
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd!
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<seatosummit28@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> Doug Freese wrote:
>> <seatosummit28@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153901198.075938.106800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I dont know the sport well enough to judge whether 1 minute is a lot.
It's a buinch!
> It seems they establish a pecking order and everyone agrees not to
> move
> above their station.
Only for the last leg which is a symbolic ride. Other than the last day
it's balls to the wall for every team. If you had followed any of this
year, the lead changed more than most years and maybe THE most. I
hardly think that qualifies as "not to move above their station." You
may not understand the strength and depth of the top five teams and why
it appears as such.
> It seems they only put in the minimum effort to beat their rival. On
> the other hand, maybe it is hyper competive where you have people with
> 100 percent motivation and 100 percent talent competing against each
> other.
How can you even conjecture a minimum effort? I see you know about as
much about biking as you do running or are you trolling again?
-DF
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 09:33:18
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Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd! - Cheater?...
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dwjones45 wrote:
> i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could very well have been
> the result from a cortisone shot given to help with the pain his hip.
yeah but....
27 July, 2006
By JAN M. OLSEN, Associated Press Writer
COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Tour de France winner Floyd Landis failed to show
up for a one-day race in Denmark on Thursday, a day after missing a
scheduled event in the Netherlands. "He was not on the plane," said
race organizer Jesper Tikoeb. "We don't know where he is. It's
pretty mysterious. We know nothing, really nothing at all." Landis
also failed to appear for the Acht van Chaam race in the Netherlands on
Wednesday.
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Methinks he knows what's coming.....he'll be stripped, it's only a
matter of hours...or days...
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 15:54:25
From: Mark Hutchinson
Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd! - Cheater?...
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lanceandrew@aol.com wrote
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> dwjones45 wrote:
>> i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could
>> very well have been the result from a cortisone shot given
>> to help with the pain his hip.
>
> yeah but....
>
> 27 July, 2006
> By JAN M. OLSEN, Associated Press Writer
>
> COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Tour de France winner Floyd Landis
> failed to show up for a one-day race in Denmark on
> Thursday, a day after missing a scheduled event in the
> Netherlands. "He was not on the plane," said race
> organizer Jesper Tikoeb. "We don't know where he is. It's
> pretty mysterious. We know nothing, really nothing at all."
> Landis also failed to appear for the Acht van Chaam race
> in the Netherlands on Wednesday.
> ___
>
> Methinks he knows what's coming.....he'll be stripped, it's
> only a matter of hours...or days...
This was inevitable. By the way they went after Armstrong, even
post-mortem, the French had made it very clear that they were
simply not willing to tolerate yet another American winner.
And Floyd, the dummy, played right into their hands. He had
that unfortunate cortisone injection on the night before Stage
17. But that one's sort of understandable, given his painful
hip condition.
What's worse, he was apparently so distraught over his
disastrous Stage 16 performance that he tried to drown his
sorrow in a couple of six-packs of Heinekens. It's well known
that ethanol consumption temporarily causes unusually high T/E
ratios - which is what he's being accused. It's a natural
hormonal process.
Of course, none of this will make any difference to the French.
They've got him where they want him and won't let go easily.
They are clearly in the process of tearing down yet another
American National Hero. I say we put aside our little
difference and present a united front to these scoundrels. This
injustice must not be allowed to stand! Who is with me?
(Of course, if it turns out that Floyd really cheated, then I
hope Oscar Pereiro is declared the winner. Since he was only a
minute behind after 20 days of racing, I always said he should
have shared in the first place anyway.)
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 19:21:54
From: steve common
Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd! - Cheater?...
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Mark Hutchinson <marhutch@goamil.com > wrote:
>This was inevitable. By the way they went after Armstrong, even
>post-mortem, the French had made it very clear that they were
>simply not willing to tolerate yet another American winner.
If this were true, why eliminate Ullrich and other favourites, whose
absence made Landis' win possible, before the start? Does not compute.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 14:23:35
From: Starlight Starbright
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I saw on t.v. lance armstrong is in idaho doing a cancer ride or
something and said plan A is positive and there waiting for plan
B....and to date is Not saying a word about it......he not know the case
he said...
some people" find some thing wrong with ice cream cone"
there.glass is half empty.
..when has there ever been a You win...here the prise.
I still waiting to find out what the Hhappen too.
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 23:40:42
From: Mark Hutchinson
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steve common said...
>
>Mark Hutchinson <marhutch@goamil.com> wrote:
>
>>This was inevitable. By the way they went after Armstrong,
>>even post-mortem, the French had made it very clear that
>>they were simply not willing to tolerate yet another
>>American winner.
>
>If this were true, why eliminate Ullrich and other
>favourites, whose absence made Landis' win possible, before
>the start?
The French had little choice when presented with the findings
of Operacion Puerto, which was a Spanish initiative, not
French. It's true that the TDF made the decision to DQ the
two riders, but then the French have never really forgiven
the Germans for invading them. And since the Italians had
sided with the Germans, they were guilty by association.
Ullrich is German, Basso Italian. Coincidence? I don't
think so...
>Does not compute.
I thought you said you knew how to play.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 08:56:08
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Floyd Landis was the toast of Paris after winning the Tour de France on
Sunday.
AP THURSDAY, JULY 27, 2006
Tour Drug Shocker
Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of
testosterone after his Stage 17 triumph, his team confirmed. He may be
stripped of his Tour de France victory.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 12:21:26
From: dwjones45
Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd! - Cheater?...
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i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could very well have been
the result from a cortisone shot given to help with the pain his hip. if
that is the case then floyd will cleared of any doping charges. remember
the day of this test was the day after landis bonked.
lanceandrew@aol.com wrote:
> Floyd Landis was the toast of Paris after winning the Tour de France
> on Sunday.
> AP THURSDAY, JULY 27, 2006
> Tour Drug Shocker
> Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels
> of testosterone after his Stage 17 triumph, his team confirmed. He
> may be stripped of his Tour de France victory.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 12:51:57
From: Roeret
Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd! - Cheater?...
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dwjones45 wrote:
> i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could very well have been
> the result from a cortisone shot given to help with the pain his hip.
Easy to check. Take a Carbon 13 test. If it is normal the Carbon 13 will be
low if artificial it will be high. Lets just waite and see......
Martin, denmark
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 00:04:11
From: Mark Hutchinson
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Roeret <martin.rordam@email.dk > wrote
> dwjones45 wrote:
>
>> i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could
>> very well have been the result from a cortisone shot given
>> to help with the pain his hip.
>
> Easy to check. Take a Carbon 13 test. If it is normal the
> Carbon 13 will be low if artificial it will be high. Lets
> just waite and see......
He flunked. It's pharmaceutical.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 02:30:47
From: Doug Freese
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"Mark Hutchinson" <marhutch@goamil.com > wrote in message
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> Roeret <martin.rordam@email.dk> wrote
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>> dwjones45 wrote:
>>
>>> i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could
>>> very well have been the result from a cortisone shot given
>>> to help with the pain his hip.
>>
>> Easy to check. Take a Carbon 13 test. If it is normal the
>> Carbon 13 will be low if artificial it will be high. Lets
>> just waite and see......
>
> He flunked. It's pharmaceutical.
And if they don't find the artificial T in the second puddle of pee?
Hmmm... I do hope they are not using the French lab for the B sample.
-DF
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 02:08:46
From: Mark Hutchinson
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote
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> "Mark Hutchinson" <marhutch@goamil.com> wrote in message
> news:44d28efb$0$5274$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Roeret <martin.rordam@email.dk> wrote
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>>> dwjones45 wrote:
>>>
>>>> i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could
>>>> very well have been the result from a cortisone shot
>>>> given to help with the pain his hip.
>>>
>>> Easy to check. Take a Carbon 13 test. If it is normal the
>>> Carbon 13 will be low if artificial it will be high. Lets
>>> just waite and see......
>>
>> He flunked. It's pharmaceutical.
>
> And if they don't find the artificial T in the second
> puddle of pee?
Then the angels will sing and the world shall rejoice.
> Hmmm... I do hope they are not using the
> French lab for the B sample.
I hope they do. That way we can always claim it was French
sabotage.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 23:02:55
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The weird part is that everyone kind of knew Floyd was going to win
once he made up 8 minutes. Oscar became a nonentity. It was like
everyone was willing Floyd to win.
It was sort of like Rocky. More interesting than watching Lance
Armstrong win.
Mark Hutchinson wrote:
> "Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com> wrote
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> >
> > "Mark Hutchinson" <marhutch@goamil.com> wrote in message
> > news:44c79d10$0$12649$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> >> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote
> >>
> >>> How about congrats for Oscar pierero.
> >>
> >> For what? For losing the Tour to a guy with one hip? That's
> >> almost as bad as losing to a guy with one nut.
> >
> > Cold, Mark, real cold.
>
> I know. But witty, no? You think I'm gonna have ol' "gty" have
> all the fun?
>
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 07:17:28
From: Starlight Starbright
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there allways a reason.I only see yah on the news. t.v. with my name
being used as a example.......what ever......
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 01:19:41
From: fishbroetchn
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Do you seriously believe that? I watched stage 16 and 17 on tv. There
was no way in the world that a person could die one day like Landis did
and race like its his first race the next day. That was suspicious.
The tdf direction will tread everybody equally or people will loose
believe in the race. When was the last time a Frenchman won? Bernard
Hinault in 1985!!
Mark Hutchinson wrote:
> lanceandrew@aol.com wrote
>
> >
> > dwjones45 wrote:
> >> i had heard that the high levels of testosterone could
> >> very well have been the result from a cortisone shot given
> >> to help with the pain his hip.
> >
> > yeah but....
> >
> > 27 July, 2006
> > By JAN M. OLSEN, Associated Press Writer
> >
> > COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Tour de France winner Floyd Landis
> > failed to show up for a one-day race in Denmark on
> > Thursday, a day after missing a scheduled event in the
> > Netherlands. "He was not on the plane," said race
> > organizer Jesper Tikoeb. "We don't know where he is. It's
> > pretty mysterious. We know nothing, really nothing at all."
> > Landis also failed to appear for the Acht van Chaam race
> > in the Netherlands on Wednesday.
> > ___
> >
> > Methinks he knows what's coming.....he'll be stripped, it's
> > only a matter of hours...or days...
>
> This was inevitable. By the way they went after Armstrong, even
> post-mortem, the French had made it very clear that they were
> simply not willing to tolerate yet another American winner.
>
> And Floyd, the dummy, played right into their hands. He had
> that unfortunate cortisone injection on the night before Stage
> 17. But that one's sort of understandable, given his painful
> hip condition.
>
> What's worse, he was apparently so distraught over his
> disastrous Stage 16 performance that he tried to drown his
> sorrow in a couple of six-packs of Heinekens. It's well known
> that ethanol consumption temporarily causes unusually high T/E
> ratios - which is what he's being accused. It's a natural
> hormonal process.
>
> Of course, none of this will make any difference to the French.
> They've got him where they want him and won't let go easily.
> They are clearly in the process of tearing down yet another
> American National Hero. I say we put aside our little
> difference and present a united front to these scoundrels. This
> injustice must not be allowed to stand! Who is with me?
>
> (Of course, if it turns out that Floyd really cheated, then I
> hope Oscar Pereiro is declared the winner. Since he was only a
> minute behind after 20 days of racing, I always said he should
> have shared in the first place anyway.)
>
>
>
>
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 23:53:22
From: Doug Freese
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"fishbroetchn" <philipp.schirakowski@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> Do you seriously believe that? I watched stage 16 and 17 on tv. There
> was no way in the world that a person could die one day like Landis
> did
> and race like its his first race the next day. That was suspicious.
I'm still waiting for the the full evaluation and until then it's all
smoke. As a side bar, do you think he can shit the bed one day, add some
magic juicebat night , and morph the next day? Must be fantasic stuff to
work that fast.
-DF
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 23:58:05
From: Mark Hutchinson
Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd! - Cheater?...
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote
> I'm still waiting for the the full evaluation and until
> then it's all smoke. As a side bar, do you think he can
> shit the bed one day, add some magic juicebat night , and
> morph the next day? Must be fantasic stuff to work that
> fast.
A very valid question. A lot of people are wondering how that
extra testosterone alone could have done that for him. From
what I'm reading, testosterone helps you build-up over a longer
period of time, not overnight. If it really was responsible for
that performance, I may have to look into it for my next race -
the 'Roid Rage 5K.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 14:05:23
From: Brian Baresch
Subject: Re: Congrats, Floyd! - Cheater?...
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>A very valid question. A lot of people are wondering how that
>extra testosterone alone could have done that for him. From
>what I'm reading, testosterone helps you build-up over a longer
>period of time, not overnight. If it really was responsible for
>that performance, I may have to look into it for my next race -
>the 'Roid Rage 5K.
I saw a scientist quoted saying that an overnight dose will give an
athlete a psychological boost and help him feel more energetic. In a
race like the TdF I imagine that that can make a difference.
I'm no expert and have no dog in this race. Just sayin'.
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