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Date: 02 Oct 2006 21:09:05
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Charity walks a nuisance
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Once a year my local running trail is overrun by a huge crowd of
people. The trail is pretty narrow but normally has enough room for a
moderately sized and spread out group of runners, walkers, and
bicyclists to share, but on this one day a crowd engaged in some sort
of falsely-selfless massive orgy decides to take more than their fair
share of the terrain. They take up both left and right sides so that
anyone else can only barely pass on the shoulder.
I found out recently it's some sort of walk for hunger. Here's the
problem. Walking doesn't feed people. All it does is burn energy and
make the walkers feel like they're doing a good deed while getting in
the way of other people going about their normal business. I know
there's this scheme where outside people pledge money for every mile
walked. That's ridiculous. A donation to a good cause shouldn't
require walking.
If these walking people wanted to actually do some good, rather than
engage in what I equate to public masturbation for the ego, they'd go
buy or produce some food or go build some food-producing
infrastructure. The same goes for any other types of walks. I don't
buy the idea that they "raise awareness". All they did for me was
piss me off in a way that makes me not want to help them. If they
want to raise awareness, they should simply collect donations or they
should make signs that advertise where physical labor that actually
effects some real results could be volunteered.
(I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
these people all crowding the trail at once)
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 23:01:56
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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Bubba is quite opinionated.
Lucky for us, no one cares what a jogger thinks.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 00:15:28
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Mon, 2 2006 23:01:56 -0400, High_Colonic@webtv.net (Miss Anne
Thrope) wrote:
>Bubba is quite opinionated.
>
>Lucky for us, no one cares what a jogger thinks.
I guess you're also lucky if you can swallow whatever large crowds of
people shove down your throat. My mind unfortunately doesn't work
that way unless I take drugs (I'm only guessing), but drugs are
illegal so I'm stuck being this way.
Don't mistake my point. I didn't say charity was bad. That's an even
more controversial issue I'll leave for another time. Let's break it
down to the golden rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto
you or what goes around comes around, depending on the religion. If I
was starving or had an illness, I would not want people to use my
misfortune as a way to make themselves look like good caring people in
front of other equally pretentious people. I would want them to give
me some food or pour large quantities of money into finding a cure.
I'll repeat this. Walking does not produce money. Working at a job
produces money. People who want to raise money for a cause should get
a job and then use that money to help their cause.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 00:21:12
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Tue, 03 2006 00:15:28 -0400, BubbaGump < > wrote:
>I'll repeat this. Walking does not produce money. Working at a job
>produces money. People who want to raise money for a cause should get
>a job and then use that money to help their cause.
Okay, maybe that's a little inaccurate. I guess walking could be
compared to forms of entertainment like singing, dancing, or acting.
In that way, I guess it does raise money, although it seems a bit
sadistic to require people to entertain in order to donate money to a
charity. Why not sacrifice the entertainment and the nuisance and
simply give money to the charity?
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 05:54:03
From: Dot
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> On Tue, 03 2006 00:15:28 -0400, BubbaGump <> wrote:
>
>Why not sacrifice the entertainment and the nuisance and
> simply give money to the charity?
Because people actually showing up and doing something in support of a
cause, rather than writing a check, has meaning - moral support that
money can't buy.
Ask the person with breast cancer with minimal health insurance who's
always smiling and helping other people. The money raised at that "race"
helped with her health expenses, but more importantly was 500 people
(runners, mushers, church, general public), iirc, many with dogs coming
together to show their support. It provided positive vibes for her.
She's also a survivor that gives back by increasing cancer awareness and
motivational talks. That running / walking race is still held with the
funds going to support a different local cancer victim each year. And
she's doing IMH this year.
Spouses of leukemia victims may run marathons as part of TNT to raise
awareness and also to help them deal mentally with circumstances - or
healing later.
Dot
yea, I know it's a troll
--
"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
world-famous adventurer who was with Byrd in Antarctica
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 08:52:37
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Tue, 03 2006 05:54:03 GMT, Dot <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote:
>BubbaGump wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 2006 00:15:28 -0400, BubbaGump <> wrote:
>>
>>Why not sacrifice the entertainment and the nuisance and
>> simply give money to the charity?
>
>Because people actually showing up and doing something in support of a
>cause, rather than writing a check, has meaning - moral support that
>money can't buy.
>
>...
>
>Spouses of leukemia victims may run marathons as part of TNT to raise
>awareness and also to help them deal mentally with circumstances - or
>healing later.
I agree that charity runs/walks in which with the victims are part of
the event are good for solidarity and keeping their spirits up.
That doesn't work for a hunger walk that supposedly helps starving
victims thousands of miles away in foreign countries. They can't be
part of the walk so I don't see how the walking could make them feel
better.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 09:14:44
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Tue, 03 2006 08:52:37 -0400, BubbaGump < > wrote:
>I agree that charity runs/walks in which with the victims are part of
>the event are good for solidarity and keeping their spirits up.
Although, I think a way that'd be more meaningful to the victim and
less of a bother to other people than simply walking around crowding
the streets would be to write personal letters, visit and talk with
them, or throw fund raiser parties for them.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 10:46:39
From: Mrs. Tberry
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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It's also a show of support for those people going through the
difficult time. Sure it raises money, but it also raises people's
awareness and lets people know that they are not alone when they go
through something like that. There's proof that it raises awareness,
the proff is in the numbers that you are complaining about. I can see
how it could be an annoyance, but the benefits far outnumber any
inconveniences.
But mostly I'd like to restate the comment of another poster, there are
far better things to complain about. You should just make plans to run
somewhere else the day that it happens.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 22:17:13
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 3 2006 10:46:39 -0700, "Mrs. Tberry" <tarathornberry@gmail.com >
wrote:
>It's also a show of support for those people going through the
>difficult time. Sure it raises money, but it also raises people's
>awareness and lets people know that they are not alone when they go
>through something like that. There's proof that it raises awareness,
>the proff is in the numbers that you are complaining about. I can see
>how it could be an annoyance, but the benefits far outnumber any
>inconveniences.
>
>But mostly I'd like to restate the comment of another poster, there are
>far better things to complain about. You should just make plans to run
>somewhere else the day that it happens.
Okay, I'll restate that they can go raise awareness in a party at a
hall somewhere. They don't need to walk around.
They should stop walking around clogging the streets the day that it
was supposed to happen.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 23:11:08
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Tue, 03 2006 22:17:13 -0400, BubbaGump < > wrote:
>On 3 2006 10:46:39 -0700, "Mrs. Tberry" <tarathornberry@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>It's also a show of support for those people going through the
>>difficult time. Sure it raises money, but it also raises people's
>>awareness and lets people know that they are not alone when they go
>>through something like that. There's proof that it raises awareness,
>>the proff is in the numbers that you are complaining about. I can see
>>how it could be an annoyance, but the benefits far outnumber any
>>inconveniences.
>>
>>But mostly I'd like to restate the comment of another poster, there are
>>far better things to complain about. You should just make plans to run
>>somewhere else the day that it happens.
>
>Okay, I'll restate that they can go raise awareness in a party at a
>hall somewhere. They don't need to walk around.
>
>They should stop walking around clogging the streets the day that it
>was supposed to happen.
By the way, there is a compromise between all or nothing. The
walk-a-thoners could be considerate enough to walk on only one side of
the trail and in groups that are more spread out. That would allow
passing them on the other side of the trail every so often, which is
normal and would allow traffic to pass in both directions.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 12:05:25
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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<BubbaGump > wrote in message
news:r966i25hohpjls1b5otkp95e7k6crrl90j@4ax.com...
> On 3 2006 10:46:39 -0700, "Mrs. Tberry" <tarathornberry@gmail.com>
>> Okay, I'll restate that they can go raise awareness in a party at a
> hall somewhere. They don't need to walk around.
Heavens no! Get some exercise and raise some money - what a poor
example. And to deprive you of one day a year - pure selfishness on
their part. I think a letter to the editor of your local paper, to
include your name, address and home phone number would be the right
thing to do. I'm certain there would be many people to call and agree.
Just think of the outrage of those people that live along the race
course of say Boston or NYC that get closed off for half to 3/4 of day
for there respective marathon. I'm surprised the Uzi's aren't peeking
out windows and mowing down those selfish runners.
You're definitely trolling with the all the intellectual prowess of the
name Bubba. You have a long way to go to compete with the likes of
High-colonic.
-DF
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 09:22:56
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Wed, 04 2006 12:05:25 GMT, "Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com >
wrote:
>
><BubbaGump> wrote in message
>news:r966i25hohpjls1b5otkp95e7k6crrl90j@4ax.com...
>> On 3 2006 10:46:39 -0700, "Mrs. Tberry" <tarathornberry@gmail.com>
>>> Okay, I'll restate that they can go raise awareness in a party at a
>> hall somewhere. They don't need to walk around.
>
>Heavens no! Get some exercise and raise some money - what a poor
>example. And to deprive you of one day a year - pure selfishness on
>their part.
Yes, it is, because there's is no need for deprivation if they would
practice restraint.
>I think a letter to the editor of your local paper, to
>include your name, address and home phone number would be the right
>thing to do. I'm certain there would be many people to call and agree.
Nah, I'm pretty sure I'd just run into more brainwashed people who
don't think for themselves.
>You're definitely trolling with the all the intellectual prowess of the
>name Bubba. You have a long way to go to compete with the likes of
>High-colonic.
Life isn't a competition to me.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 09:10:05
From: ActionBill@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump returned from a trip to WalMart where he had just purchased a
new pair of jeans for an upcoming wedding and wrote:
> Once a year my local running trail is overrun by a huge crowd of
> people. The trail is pretty narrow but normally has enough room for a.......
><snip>Edited because of it's possible effect on global warming.</snip>
Once a year you're inconvienced by a charity walk? Just run around the
trailer court instead.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 08:25:49
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> Once a year my local running trail is overrun by a huge crowd of
> people. The trail is pretty narrow but normally has enough room for a
> moderately sized and spread out group of runners, walkers, and
> bicyclists to share, but on this one day a crowd engaged in some sort
> of falsely-selfless massive orgy decides to take more than their fair
> share of the terrain. They take up both left and right sides so that
> anyone else can only barely pass on the shoulder.
>
> I found out recently it's some sort of walk for hunger. Here's the
> problem. Walking doesn't feed people. All it does is burn energy and
> make the walkers feel like they're doing a good deed while getting in
> the way of other people going about their normal business. I know
> there's this scheme where outside people pledge money for every mile
> walked. That's ridiculous. A donation to a good cause shouldn't
> require walking.
>
> If these walking people wanted to actually do some good, rather than
> engage in what I equate to public masturbation for the ego, they'd go
> buy or produce some food or go build some food-producing
> infrastructure. The same goes for any other types of walks. I don't
> buy the idea that they "raise awareness". All they did for me was
> piss me off in a way that makes me not want to help them. If they
> want to raise awareness, they should simply collect donations or they
> should make signs that advertise where physical labor that actually
> effects some real results could be volunteered.
>
> (I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
> walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
> these people all crowding the trail at once)
dude go run somewhere else
John
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 22:13:47
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 3 2006 08:25:49 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>BubbaGump wrote:
>> Once a year my local running trail is overrun by a huge crowd of
>> people. The trail is pretty narrow but normally has enough room for a
>> moderately sized and spread out group of runners, walkers, and
>> bicyclists to share, but on this one day a crowd engaged in some sort
>> of falsely-selfless massive orgy decides to take more than their fair
>> share of the terrain. They take up both left and right sides so that
>> anyone else can only barely pass on the shoulder.
>>
>> I found out recently it's some sort of walk for hunger. Here's the
>> problem. Walking doesn't feed people. All it does is burn energy and
>> make the walkers feel like they're doing a good deed while getting in
>> the way of other people going about their normal business. I know
>> there's this scheme where outside people pledge money for every mile
>> walked. That's ridiculous. A donation to a good cause shouldn't
>> require walking.
>>
>> If these walking people wanted to actually do some good, rather than
>> engage in what I equate to public masturbation for the ego, they'd go
>> buy or produce some food or go build some food-producing
>> infrastructure. The same goes for any other types of walks. I don't
>> buy the idea that they "raise awareness". All they did for me was
>> piss me off in a way that makes me not want to help them. If they
>> want to raise awareness, they should simply collect donations or they
>> should make signs that advertise where physical labor that actually
>> effects some real results could be volunteered.
>>
>> (I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
>> walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
>> these people all crowding the trail at once)
>
>dude go run somewhere else
I'm there every week. Let them go walk somewhere else.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 08:05:22
From: bluezfolk
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> Once a year my local running trail is overrun by a huge crowd of
> people. The trail is pretty narrow but normally has enough room for a
> moderately sized and spread out group of runners, walkers, and
> bicyclists to share, but on this one day a crowd engaged in some sort
> of falsely-selfless massive orgy decides to take more than their fair
> share of the terrain. They take up both left and right sides so that
> anyone else can only barely pass on the shoulder.
>
> I found out recently it's some sort of walk for hunger. Here's the
> problem. Walking doesn't feed people. All it does is burn energy and
> make the walkers feel like they're doing a good deed while getting in
> the way of other people going about their normal business. I know
> there's this scheme where outside people pledge money for every mile
> walked. That's ridiculous. A donation to a good cause shouldn't
> require walking.
>
> If these walking people wanted to actually do some good, rather than
> engage in what I equate to public masturbation for the ego, they'd go
> buy or produce some food or go build some food-producing
> infrastructure. The same goes for any other types of walks. I don't
> buy the idea that they "raise awareness". All they did for me was
> piss me off in a way that makes me not want to help them. If they
> want to raise awareness, they should simply collect donations or they
> should make signs that advertise where physical labor that actually
> effects some real results could be volunteered.
>
> (I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
> walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
> these people all crowding the trail at once)
You don't have to support it, but I can think of a lot of more
bothersome things to complain about. One of my neighbors recently
asked me to make a pledge for her 3 mile walk, and then wanted the
money on the spot, I always thought the collection was done after the
person finished based on a price per mile. I gave her the cash, never
found out if she even showed up.
Eric
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 22:13:21
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 3 2006 08:05:22 -0700, "bluezfolk" <ericreh@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>BubbaGump wrote:
>> Once a year my local running trail is overrun by a huge crowd of
>> people. The trail is pretty narrow but normally has enough room for a
>> moderately sized and spread out group of runners, walkers, and
>> bicyclists to share, but on this one day a crowd engaged in some sort
>> of falsely-selfless massive orgy decides to take more than their fair
>> share of the terrain. They take up both left and right sides so that
>> anyone else can only barely pass on the shoulder.
>>
>> I found out recently it's some sort of walk for hunger. Here's the
>> problem. Walking doesn't feed people. All it does is burn energy and
>> make the walkers feel like they're doing a good deed while getting in
>> the way of other people going about their normal business. I know
>> there's this scheme where outside people pledge money for every mile
>> walked. That's ridiculous. A donation to a good cause shouldn't
>> require walking.
>>
>> If these walking people wanted to actually do some good, rather than
>> engage in what I equate to public masturbation for the ego, they'd go
>> buy or produce some food or go build some food-producing
>> infrastructure. The same goes for any other types of walks. I don't
>> buy the idea that they "raise awareness". All they did for me was
>> piss me off in a way that makes me not want to help them. If they
>> want to raise awareness, they should simply collect donations or they
>> should make signs that advertise where physical labor that actually
>> effects some real results could be volunteered.
>>
>> (I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
>> walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
>> these people all crowding the trail at once)
>
> You don't have to support it, but I can think of a lot of more
>bothersome things to complain about. One of my neighbors recently
>asked me to make a pledge for her 3 mile walk, and then wanted the
>money on the spot, I always thought the collection was done after the
>person finished based on a price per mile. I gave her the cash, never
>found out if she even showed up.
What? I mentioned this sort of thing. Are you being sarcastic? The
money is going to help people. Why do you care whether she walks or
not?
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 16:11:07
From: bluezfolk
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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Dot wrote:
> BubbaGump wrote:
> > On Tue, 03 2006 00:15:28 -0400, BubbaGump <> wrote:
> >
> >Why not sacrifice the entertainment and the nuisance and
> > simply give money to the charity?
>
> Because people actually showing up and doing something in support of a
> cause, rather than writing a check, has meaning - moral support that
> money can't buy.
>
> Ask the person with breast cancer with minimal health insurance who's
> always smiling and helping other people. The money raised at that "race"
> helped with her health expenses, but more importantly was 500 people
> (runners, mushers, church, general public), iirc, many with dogs coming
> together to show their support. It provided positive vibes for her.
> She's also a survivor that gives back by increasing cancer awareness and
> motivational talks. That running / walking race is still held with the
> funds going to support a different local cancer victim each year. And
> she's doing IMH this year.
>
> Spouses of leukemia victims may run marathons as part of TNT to raise
> awareness and also to help them deal mentally with circumstances - or
> healing later.
>
> Dot
> yea, I know it's a troll
> --
> "Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
> world-famous adventurer who was with Byrd in Antarctica
ON a related note... I am a volunteer coach for a non-profit
running group. At our last coaches and Board meeting it was mentioned
that the tax code has been changed. It appears that in the future
folks who accept a trip to a marathon as part of their fundraising will
have to pay tax on the trips value. I sincerely hope that the
information given at the meting was wrong, as this would hurt
fundraising for some groups.
Eric R
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 21:43:13
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Mon, 02 2006 21:09:05 -0400, BubbaGump < > wrote:
>(I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
>walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
>these people all crowding the trail at once)
I was out driving in my car the other day and I found other road-users
on my roads ! Can you believe the cheek of these people ? It got
worse, on occasions I had to stop at red traffic lights - don't they
know who I am ?
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 22:33:29
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Tue, 03 2006 21:43:13 +0100, Dominic Shields
<dom@dshields.demon.co.uk > wrote:
>I was out driving in my car the other day and I found other road-users
>on my roads ! Can you believe the cheek of these people ? It got
>worse, on occasions I had to stop at red traffic lights - don't they
>know who I am ?
Okay, you missed the point. I said in my original post that the trail
is normally shared by a moderate level of runners, walkers, and
bicyclists. During any sunny day when the trail is popular, we're all
dodging each other, but we share. The day of this event, I and other
trail users (I wasn't by myself) were all trying to dodge these
walk-a-thon people, but at many points it was impossible to do so
because they were taking up both sides of the trial for such long
stretches. The people on bicycles must have had it worse than the
runners, since I imagine it's harder to quickly stop or dodge off to
the side with a bike.
I don't mind the normal flow of people because it's manageable and
moderate. There's always extra room. It's not a flood of people
taking up almost every last inch of space.
I'm not complaining about traffic or even unavoidable traffic jams.
I'm complaining about an organized and deliberately planned traffic
jam.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 03:39:41
From: Daniel-San
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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<BubbaGump > wrote ...
>
> I'm not complaining about traffic or even unavoidable traffic jams.
> I'm complaining about an organized and deliberately planned traffic
> jam.
You mean like how all the road races mess up traffic?
Yeesh, especially the marathons. What, with all the "slowpokes" that dare to
enter these events, traffic is snarled up for 6 maybe 7 hours.
Those ethnic group and holiday parades are a bitch, too, huh?
All of these people, peaceably assembling to voice an opinion, or to speak
out, or to try to convince the public that what they have to say matters.
What's this country coming to? These people think they have rights or
something.
Dan
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 00:08:42
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Wed, 04 2006 03:39:41 GMT, "Daniel-San"
<qnaoehafsylsvfu@tznvy.pbz (Rot13) > wrote:
>
><BubbaGump> wrote ...
>>
>> I'm not complaining about traffic or even unavoidable traffic jams.
>> I'm complaining about an organized and deliberately planned traffic
>> jam.
>
>You mean like how all the road races mess up traffic?
>
>Yeesh, especially the marathons. What, with all the "slowpokes" that dare to
>enter these events, traffic is snarled up for 6 maybe 7 hours.
>
>Those ethnic group and holiday parades are a bitch, too, huh?
Yeah, those are all trouble too.
>All of these people, peaceably assembling to voice an opinion, or to speak
>out, or to try to convince the public that what they have to say matters.
>What's this country coming to? These people think they have rights or
>something.
I'm peaceable assembling to voice an opinion: running is good. Let's
pretend I'm trying to raise awareness to encourage unmotivated people
to get out and get healthy, and these walkers are stopping me from
voicing that opinion.
Speaking out does not require being loud enough to drown out everyone
else who's also trying to speak. I'm not talking about having rights.
I'm talking about not having the right to infringe on other people's
rights.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:41:33
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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In article <7ac6i2t05q6dcktfq0j226q2m6jvitbooh@4ax.com >, BubbaGump <>
wrote:
> Speaking out does not require being loud enough to drown out everyone
> else who's also trying to speak. I'm not talking about having rights.
> I'm talking about not having the right to infringe on other people's
> rights.
You're trying to weight your own rights over the rights of others,
troll. They have just as much right to those trails as you do; they just
choose to exercise their rights all on the same day. You don't have more
of a right to the trail because you're a "regular."
--Harold Buck
"Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."
-Homer J. Simpson
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 18:18:04
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:no_one_knows-143FB9.11413204102006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <7ac6i2t05q6dcktfq0j226q2m6jvitbooh@4ax.com>, BubbaGump <>
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking out does not require being loud enough to drown out everyone
>> else who's also trying to speak. I'm not talking about having
>> rights.
>> I'm talking about not having the right to infringe on other people's
>> rights.
>
>
> You're trying to weight your own rights over the rights of others,
> troll. They have just as much right to those trails as you do; they
> just
> choose to exercise their rights all on the same day. You don't have
> more
> of a right to the trail because you're a "regular."
His only quasi-legit argument is that the walkers should be made aware
that taking up the entire width of the trail is a no-no. OTOH, if the
race had sequestered the trail for the event then I say tough shit to
Bubba. His real issue is simple elitism and feels the walkers are
somehow inferior and should be someplace else. At this point he is only
gathering major trolling points.
Let's see if this is the only type of discussion he leads.
-DF
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:47:04
From: Daniel-San
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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<BubbaGump > wrote ...
>
> Speaking out does not require being loud enough to drown out everyone
> else who's also trying to speak. I'm not talking about having rights.
> I'm talking about not having the right to infringe on other people's
> rights.
>
A privilege (most likely) granted by way of a permit issued by a local
governing body. Try execising your voting rights. Show up at a committee
meeting. Express your rage at the organized charity walkers. Suggest RICO
indictments. Be prepared to be politely (?) ignored by the rest of the
community.
Dan
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 23:12:52
From: Dominic Shields
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Tue, 03 2006 22:33:29 -0400, BubbaGump < > wrote:
>Okay, you missed the point.
Don't think so, the point being a misplaced sense of one's own
importance.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 11:20:13
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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can anyone believe that this guy is incovieniced 1 out of 365 days
every year. This might be a case if you can't beat them join them.
Instead of complaining donate a few bucks, walk alittle and make a
friend or two. You never know you might someday be greatful for the
money groups like that raise.
John
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 22:20:25
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 3 2006 11:20:13 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>can anyone believe that this guy is incovieniced 1 out of 365 days
>every year. This might be a case if you can't beat them join them.
>Instead of complaining donate a few bucks, walk alittle and make a
>friend or two. You never know you might someday be greatful for the
>money groups like that raise.
How about if you can't beat them, piss them off?
They don't raise money. We've already been over that. They raise
moral support but in an annoying way.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 18:01:02
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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<BubbaGump > wrote in message
news:9rd3i214jdepnciavul90rqe7ujtokv2n3@4ax.com...
> I found out recently it's some sort of walk for hunger. Here's the
> problem. Walking doesn't feed people. All it does is burn energy and
> make the walkers feel like they're doing a good deed while getting in
> the way of other people going about their normal business. I know
> there's this scheme where outside people pledge money for every mile
> walked. That's ridiculous. A donation to a good cause shouldn't
> require walking.
You gotta be trollin'.
> (I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
> walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
> these people all crowding the trail at once)
For that one day go do laps in your driveway
-DF
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 22:18:00
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On Tue, 03 2006 18:01:02 GMT, "Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com >
wrote:
>For that one day go do laps in your driveway
For that one day, let them go do laps in their church parking lot.
Let them walk around in circles for a couple hours.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:01:11
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:
> And this is the heart of the matter, the behavior which really
> gets Bubba's goat, and mine
But even so, Bubba, what I should've added is that, no matter how
justified or unavoidable you feel your resentment and frustration,
they're not gonna change these folks' behavior. No, but these feelings
and thoughts will poison you the longer and more often you let them, so
it's much better for you to find a way to let them go. To that end,
the posters who are telling you "find another trail to run that day"
are giving you some good advice.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 09:33:35
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> On 4 2006 07:17:31 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >BubbaGump wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not complaining about traffic or even unavoidable traffic jams.
> >> I'm complaining about an organized and deliberately planned traffic
> >> jam.
> >
> >when the govn't does road construction what do you do, pick another
> >route. Use this logic for this one weekend and just move on.
>
> I should also point out that road construction serves a purpose that
> can't be accomplished in other ways. Walking doesn't.
In your eyes. To those people that once a year chance to get off thier
butts and walk a mile for (put your own charity here) the walking does
serve a purpose. As I see it you have three options:
1) (the easiest) Just find another route for that particular day
2) get up earlier and do your run before they infect the trail
3) talk to the walk organizer about the issue, of course you will need
the support of the other runners on that trail who are also annoyed,
this can be a tall order.
bottom line mouthing off here doesn't solve the problem, although I can
appreciate the opprotunity an internet group provides to "vent" some
frustration.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 17:22:58
From: Dot
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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runsrealfast wrote:
> 3) talk to the walk organizer about the issue, of course you will need
> the support of the other runners on that trail who are also annoyed,
> this can be a tall order.
If it's like our local event, it *is* the runners out there sponsoring
and doing the event. We have enough trails from that trailhead that any
clueless person out there on the trails could just use another one. The
first year it was a mass of people moving along the route. Actually,
parking was a major issue. (It's smaller these days.)
Here's an even better thought, the guy could join the walk and do
something positive.
Dot
--
"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 08:33:12
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> there's is no need for deprivation if they would practice restraint.
And this is the heart of the matter, the behavior which really gets
Bubba's goat, and mine: the basic lack of human consideration, the
complete failure of 80 or 90 percent of the American population to
recognize "these other folks are human beings *just like me* and we all
ought to take each other into account".
Bubba, correct me if I'm wrong but I bet you'd be just fine with this
charity walkathon taking place on your trail on a weekly basis if the
participants walked single file or two abreast or whatever is required
to leave reasonable space for the other traffic. And left the place at
least as free of trash as it was before they started.
You might smirk for just a moment at their notion that walking was
doing much more to support the cause than simple donating the cash, or
at some of the self-congratulation taking place for getting such a
tremendous workout as walking a couple miles in an hour. But you'd
then tell yourself, "live and let live, they're supporting a good cause
or at least one they believe in for relatively altruistic reasons, and
hey at least they're not sitting in front of the TV for six hours with
a large Hawaiian pizza in one hand and a pot of coffee and a gallon of
ice cream in the other."
But you're a little ticked that this gaggle of self-important and
self-satisfied soccer moms, or whoever they are, feel entirely
justified in taking up the entire width of the trail, leaving not an
inch for others, because after all there's no need to consider others,
we're *working hard* here for a *good cause* (not that we'd need to
leave an inch of sidewalk either, walking back to the office after
lunch...) and these five other people I'm talking with are the *people
who matter* and what the hell's wrong with that foul-mouthed jogger,
what's HIS problem, *of course* we're entitled to this trail - geez,
it's not even a question, and the next thing you know you're reflecting
on how the ugly American may be just as ugly if not more so on his home
turf than abroad, and no wonder our foreign policy, our treatment of
the rest of the world is like that, it really *does* represent the
American psyche... well, yeah, I understand a little.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 07:17:31
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> I'm not complaining about traffic or even unavoidable traffic jams.
> I'm complaining about an organized and deliberately planned traffic
> jam.
when the govn't does road construction what do you do, pick another
route. Use this logic for this one weekend and just move on.
John
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:26:16
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 4 2006 07:17:31 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>BubbaGump wrote:
>
>> I'm not complaining about traffic or even unavoidable traffic jams.
>> I'm complaining about an organized and deliberately planned traffic
>> jam.
>
>when the govn't does road construction what do you do, pick another
>route. Use this logic for this one weekend and just move on.
I should also point out that road construction serves a purpose that
can't be accomplished in other ways. Walking doesn't.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:23:14
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 4 2006 07:17:31 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>BubbaGump wrote:
>
>> I'm not complaining about traffic or even unavoidable traffic jams.
>> I'm complaining about an organized and deliberately planned traffic
>> jam.
>
>when the govn't does road construction what do you do, pick another
>route. Use this logic for this one weekend and just move on.
Road construction is annoying to me too, and I'll move on after I've
sufficiently annoyed people like you who promote the annoyance.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 07:14:07
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> On 3 2006 11:20:13 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >can anyone believe that this guy is incovieniced 1 out of 365 days
> >every year. This might be a case if you can't beat them join them.
> >Instead of complaining donate a few bucks, walk alittle and make a
> >friend or two. You never know you might someday be greatful for the
> >money groups like that raise.
>
> How about if you can't beat them, piss them off?
>
> They don't raise money. We've already been over that. They raise
> moral support but in an annoying way.
annoying to who? You or the poeple these group benifit.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:19:07
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 4 2006 07:14:07 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>BubbaGump wrote:
>> On 3 2006 11:20:13 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >can anyone believe that this guy is incovieniced 1 out of 365 days
>> >every year. This might be a case if you can't beat them join them.
>> >Instead of complaining donate a few bucks, walk alittle and make a
>> >friend or two. You never know you might someday be greatful for the
>> >money groups like that raise.
>>
>> How about if you can't beat them, piss them off?
>>
>> They don't raise money. We've already been over that. They raise
>> moral support but in an annoying way.
>
>annoying to who? You or the poeple these group benifit.
To me, but I'm saying there are ways I've already mentioned that could
benefit those people while also keeping both the walkers and me happy.
Everyone would win.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 07:11:52
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> I'm there every week. Let them go walk somewhere else.
Is it a public trail, maitained by public funds on public lands? If so
their tax payers as well and deserve the use of the trail as much as
you.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:17:39
From: BubbaGump
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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On 4 2006 07:11:52 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>BubbaGump wrote:
>
>> I'm there every week. Let them go walk somewhere else.
>
>Is it a public trail, maitained by public funds on public lands? If so
>their tax payers as well and deserve the use of the trail as much as
>you.
That's true. I apologize for saying they should go somewhere else. I
should just say they should leave me some spare room to move.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 06:20:40
From: bluezfolk
Subject: Re: Charity walks a nuisance
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BubbaGump wrote:
> On 3 2006 08:05:22 -0700, "bluezfolk" <ericreh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >BubbaGump wrote:
> >> Once a year my local running trail is overrun by a huge crowd of
> >> people. The trail is pretty narrow but normally has enough room for a
> >> moderately sized and spread out group of runners, walkers, and
> >> bicyclists to share, but on this one day a crowd engaged in some sort
> >> of falsely-selfless massive orgy decides to take more than their fair
> >> share of the terrain. They take up both left and right sides so that
> >> anyone else can only barely pass on the shoulder.
> >>
> >> I found out recently it's some sort of walk for hunger. Here's the
> >> problem. Walking doesn't feed people. All it does is burn energy and
> >> make the walkers feel like they're doing a good deed while getting in
> >> the way of other people going about their normal business. I know
> >> there's this scheme where outside people pledge money for every mile
> >> walked. That's ridiculous. A donation to a good cause shouldn't
> >> require walking.
> >>
> >> If these walking people wanted to actually do some good, rather than
> >> engage in what I equate to public masturbation for the ego, they'd go
> >> buy or produce some food or go build some food-producing
> >> infrastructure. The same goes for any other types of walks. I don't
> >> buy the idea that they "raise awareness". All they did for me was
> >> piss me off in a way that makes me not want to help them. If they
> >> want to raise awareness, they should simply collect donations or they
> >> should make signs that advertise where physical labor that actually
> >> effects some real results could be volunteered.
> >>
> >> (I'm aware that running has about the same selfish motivations as
> >> walking "fundraisers", but there's only one of me and a few hundred of
> >> these people all crowding the trail at once)
> >
> > You don't have to support it, but I can think of a lot of more
> >bothersome things to complain about. One of my neighbors recently
> >asked me to make a pledge for her 3 mile walk, and then wanted the
> >money on the spot, I always thought the collection was done after the
> >person finished based on a price per mile. I gave her the cash, never
> >found out if she even showed up.
>
> What? I mentioned this sort of thing. Are you being sarcastic? The
> money is going to help people. Why do you care whether she walks or
> not?
I care because she asked me to sponser her walking. If she had
just asked for a contribution, I would have contributed. Asking for
sponsorship is a 2 way street, or basically a contract where one party
asks for something in return for money.
Eric
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