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Date: 23 Nov 2006 00:16:55
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When my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical, I tried to correct
him, saying that "running" involves the foot leaving the ground, which
he agreed is not what he meant. His foot does not leave the "pedal"
(foot platform?) of the elliptical. But he still insists that he is
"running". I offered the term "spinning" -- although that might not be
correct either. (Certainly the people that own the Spinning trademark
would disagree with me ;- >.)
So my question is: what is the term typically used to describe "going
very fast" on an elliptical? Is it truly called "running"?
PS: My son says he "runs" on an elliptical in order to "retrain" his
stride to avoid the "shin splints" he suffered after (truly) running on
cement and asphalt. Since the elliptical motion seems very different
to me than an actual running stride, I wonder: is it a good idea to
"run" on an elliptical for that purpose? Are there better ways to
learn to avoid shin splints and other running injuries?
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 08:57:39
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Charlie Pendejo wrote:
> nomail1983 wrote:
> > my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical
>
> I hate to break it to you, but he's not running on that machine. He's
> ... eloping!
Cute! Thanks for all the supportive responses. We all (so far) seem
to agree that the elliptical movement is not "running" -- and in fact,
it is a poor simulation of the running gait -- no matter how fast he
goes. I am sure your comments are wasted on him. But __I__ appreciate
them. Thanks again.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 07:23:38
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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nomail1983 wrote:
> my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical
I hate to break it to you, but he's not running on that machine. He's
... eloping!
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 15:02:54
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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On 2006-11-23, nomail1983@hotmail.com <nomail1983@hotmail.com > wrote:
> When my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical, I tried to correct
> him, saying that "running" involves the foot leaving the ground, which
> he agreed is not what he meant. His foot does not leave the "pedal"
> (foot platform?) of the elliptical. But he still insists that he is
> "running". I offered the term "spinning" -- although that might not be
> correct either. (Certainly the people that own the Spinning trademark
> would disagree with me ;->.)
It's not "running". Part of the "running stride" involves impact. It will
help him maintain some conditioning during down time from running, but that's
what it is -- downtime from running.
There are certainly other ways besides "not running" (no, "running on an
elliptical" doesn't count) to avoid running injuries. Whether or not they are
"better" depends on goals, but if one of those goals is to be able to run
reasonably well, then ultimately "not running" isn't a long term solution.
Most common causes of running injuries are "too much too soon", and "racing
during training runs". The latter is quite likely to be an issue with a
young male runner who appears to know very little about training ...
Proper footwear also reduces injury risk.
If he has access to a treadmill, that may be an appropriate way to get a feel
for appropriate training pace (about 1:30-2:00 minutes per mile slower than 5k
time)
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 21:11:13
From: Gemini Jackson
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:02:54 +0000 (UTC), Elflord <abuse@aol.com >
wrote:
>On 2006-11-23, nomail1983@hotmail.com <nomail1983@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> When my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical, I tried to correct
>> him, saying that "running" involves the foot leaving the ground, which
>> he agreed is not what he meant. His foot does not leave the "pedal"
>> (foot platform?) of the elliptical. But he still insists that he is
>> "running". I offered the term "spinning" -- although that might not be
>> correct either. (Certainly the people that own the Spinning trademark
>> would disagree with me ;->.)
>
>It's not "running". Part of the "running stride" involves impact. It will
>help him maintain some conditioning during down time from running, but that's
>what it is -- downtime from running.
Are there any differences at all in the effects of running on a
treadmill as opposed to not?
>
>There are certainly other ways besides "not running" (no, "running on an
>elliptical" doesn't count) to avoid running injuries. Whether or not they are
>"better" depends on goals, but if one of those goals is to be able to run
>reasonably well, then ultimately "not running" isn't a long term solution.
>
>Most common causes of running injuries are "too much too soon", and "racing
>during training runs". The latter is quite likely to be an issue with a
>young male runner who appears to know very little about training ...
>Proper footwear also reduces injury risk.
>
>If he has access to a treadmill, that may be an appropriate way to get a feel
>for appropriate training pace (about 1:30-2:00 minutes per mile slower than 5k
>time)
>
>Cheers,
~GJ~
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 02:41:42
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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On 2006-11-24, Gemini Jackson <GJ@GJ.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:02:54 +0000 (UTC), Elflord <abuse@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2006-11-23, nomail1983@hotmail.com <nomail1983@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> When my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical, I tried to correct
>>> him, saying that "running" involves the foot leaving the ground, which
>>> he agreed is not what he meant. His foot does not leave the "pedal"
>>> (foot platform?) of the elliptical. But he still insists that he is
>>> "running". I offered the term "spinning" -- although that might not be
>>> correct either. (Certainly the people that own the Spinning trademark
>>> would disagree with me ;->.)
>>
>>It's not "running". Part of the "running stride" involves impact. It will
>>help him maintain some conditioning during down time from running, but that's
>>what it is -- downtime from running.
>
> Are there any differences at all in the effects of running on a
> treadmill as opposed to not?
No significant differences. For example, you could train exclusively on a
treadmill all winter and not have any observable "downtime effect".
There is a general "specificity" rule of thumb for racing that says, train
in conditions that you will race in. So for a hilly cross country course,
that means getting in hill reps on trails. For track people, it means track
running. For the Boston marathon, it means doing long downhill runs. But
(a) you only need *some* of your training to be like this, not all of it, and
(b) the treadmill is no less specific to track running than say trail running
or running on pavement.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 22:29:44
From: Steve Freides
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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"Elflord" <abuse@aol.com > wrote in message
news:slrnemcmv6.6cm.abuse@panix3.panix.com...
> On 2006-11-24, Gemini Jackson <GJ@GJ.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:02:54 +0000 (UTC), Elflord <abuse@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2006-11-23, nomail1983@hotmail.com <nomail1983@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> When my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical, I tried to
>>>> correct
>>>> him, saying that "running" involves the foot leaving the ground,
>>>> which
>>>> he agreed is not what he meant. His foot does not leave the
>>>> "pedal"
>>>> (foot platform?) of the elliptical. But he still insists that he
>>>> is
>>>> "running". I offered the term "spinning" -- although that might
>>>> not be
>>>> correct either. (Certainly the people that own the Spinning
>>>> trademark
>>>> would disagree with me ;->.)
>>>
>>>It's not "running". Part of the "running stride" involves impact. It
>>>will
>>>help him maintain some conditioning during down time from running,
>>>but that's
>>>what it is -- downtime from running.
>>
>> Are there any differences at all in the effects of running on a
>> treadmill as opposed to not?
>
> No significant differences. For example, you could train exclusively
> on a
> treadmill all winter and not have any observable "downtime effect".
Depends on who you talk to. Most runners I know say to place a
treadmill at a 1/2 or 1 degree incline to compensate for the fact that
it has a bit of springiness to it, otherwise you'll have a harder time
matching your treadmill pace once you get outdoor again.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
> There is a general "specificity" rule of thumb for racing that says,
> train
> in conditions that you will race in. So for a hilly cross country
> course,
> that means getting in hill reps on trails. For track people, it means
> track
> running. For the Boston marathon, it means doing long downhill runs.
> But
> (a) you only need *some* of your training to be like this, not all of
> it, and
> (b) the treadmill is no less specific to track running than say trail
> running
> or running on pavement.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Elflord
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 03:52:46
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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On 2006-11-24, Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com > wrote:
>>> Are there any differences at all in the effects of running on a
>>> treadmill as opposed to not?
>>
>> No significant differences. For example, you could train exclusively on a
>> treadmill all winter and not have any observable "downtime effect".
>
> Depends on who you talk to. Most runners I know say to place a
> treadmill at a 1/2 or 1 degree incline to compensate for the fact that
I take it you mean percent grade here ... ? The theory is that it compensates
for wind resistance. Either way, the fact that you reduce your effective
mileage by a few percentage points is *not* going to produce what I'd call an
"observable downtime effect". "Observable downtime effect" means that you're
a sub 20 guy who jumps into a 5k race, hits mile 1 at 6:30 as usual, ends
up barely breaking 8 on the last mile and finishes over 22 minutes.
> it has a bit of springiness to it, otherwise you'll have a harder time
> matching your treadmill pace once you get outdoor again.
So take a mid 34s 10k guy (like me) who is doing aerobic training runs at
7:30mpm on a treadmill. Do you think I'm going to find it that hard to run at
7:30mpm when I get outdoors ?
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 17:42:11
From: Steve Freides
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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"Elflord" <abuse@aol.com > wrote in message
news:slrnemcr4f.4dp.abuse@panix3.panix.com...
> On 2006-11-24, Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Are there any differences at all in the effects of running on a
>>>> treadmill as opposed to not?
>>>
>>> No significant differences. For example, you could train exclusively
>>> on a
>>> treadmill all winter and not have any observable "downtime effect".
>>
>> Depends on who you talk to. Most runners I know say to place a
>> treadmill at a 1/2 or 1 degree incline to compensate for the fact
>> that
>
> I take it you mean percent grade here ... ? The theory is that it
> compensates
> for wind resistance. Either way, the fact that you reduce your
> effective
> mileage by a few percentage points is *not* going to produce what I'd
> call an
> "observable downtime effect". "Observable downtime effect" means that
> you're
> a sub 20 guy who jumps into a 5k race, hits mile 1 at 6:30 as usual,
> ends
> up barely breaking 8 on the last mile and finishes over 22 minutes.
>
>> it has a bit of springiness to it, otherwise you'll have a harder
>> time
>> matching your treadmill pace once you get outdoor again.
>
> So take a mid 34s 10k guy (like me) who is doing aerobic training runs
> at
> 7:30mpm on a treadmill. Do you think I'm going to find it that hard
> to run at
> 7:30mpm when I get outdoors ?
Yes, based on what I know. I'd recommend the 1/2 to 1 percent incline
for your treadmill work, otherwise you might find the "observable"
difference once you get outside again. Whether that's 2 minutes on a 5k
or not I can't say, but it seems reasonable to assume the difference
will be the difference in your pace and/or effort between flat and 1/2
or 1 percent on the treadmill, if you want to attempt to quantify that.
But I can say that sub-35:00 for a 10kg is pretty fast.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
> Cheers,
> --
> Elflord
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 22:10:10
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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On 2006-11-24, Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com > wrote:
>> So take a mid 34s 10k guy (like me) who is doing aerobic training runs at
>> 7:30mpm on a treadmill. Do you think I'm going to find it that hard to run
>> at 7:30mpm when I get outdoors ?
>
> Yes, based on what I know.
No, and that's the point I'm making. Doing your easy runs a tiny bit faster or
slower makes *NO* difference to performance. I often do my aerobic runs with
people like you (-; At worst, if you forget to tweak it, at worst you end up
underestimating your mileage by a few percentage points. But a 3% or whatever
it is drop in mileage again isn't going to make you much slower.
> I'd recommend the 1/2 to 1 percent incline
> for your treadmill work, otherwise you might find the "observable"
> difference once you get outside again. Whether that's 2 minutes on a 5k
> or not I can't say, but it seems reasonable to assume the difference
> will be the difference in your pace and/or effort between flat and 1/2
> or 1 percent on the treadmill, if you want to attempt to quantify that.
No, it wouldn't -- because a 3% reduction in mileage (about 2 miles a week for
a somewhat high mileage runner) will not result in a 3% (about 10 seconds per
mile) reduction in race pace.
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 22:38:17
From: Steve Freides
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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"Elflord" <abuse@aol.com > wrote in message
news:slrnemhfq2.lno.abuse@panix3.panix.com...
> On 2006-11-24, Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>> So take a mid 34s 10k guy (like me) who is doing aerobic training
>>> runs at
>>> 7:30mpm on a treadmill. Do you think I'm going to find it that hard
>>> to run
>>> at 7:30mpm when I get outdoors ?
>>
>> Yes, based on what I know.
>
> No, and that's the point I'm making. Doing your easy runs a tiny bit
> faster or
> slower makes *NO* difference to performance. I often do my aerobic
> runs with
> people like you (-; At worst, if you forget to tweak it, at worst you
> end up
> underestimating your mileage by a few percentage points. But a 3% or
> whatever
> it is drop in mileage again isn't going to make you much slower.
>
>> I'd recommend the 1/2 to 1 percent incline
>> for your treadmill work, otherwise you might find the "observable"
>> difference once you get outside again. Whether that's 2 minutes on a
>> 5k
>> or not I can't say, but it seems reasonable to assume the difference
>> will be the difference in your pace and/or effort between flat and
>> 1/2
>> or 1 percent on the treadmill, if you want to attempt to quantify
>> that.
>
> No, it wouldn't -- because a 3% reduction in mileage (about 2 miles a
> week for
> a somewhat high mileage runner) will not result in a 3% (about 10
> seconds per
> mile) reduction in race pace.
OK, I see your point - easy run pace covers a wide enough variation to
encompass the difference between flat and 1% on a treadmill. Point
granted, but I still see no reason _not_ to use the 1/2 or 1% incline
when running on the treadmill.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
> Cheers,
> --
> Elflord
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Date: 26 Nov 2006 04:42:37
From: Dot
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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Steve Freides wrote:
> Point
> granted, but I still see no reason _not_ to use the 1/2 or 1% incline
> when running on the treadmill.
>
Steve, Are the tm that most people use calibrated closely enough that
you can tell the difference between .5 and 1%? I understand that some
come with a min of 1.5% slope.
To answer your question, I'll set it a 0% if I'm at the end of a hard
workout, and I'm just working on a little faster pace (not effort). I've
already done 1-min (machine circuits) on it from -3 to 15%, not to
mention versaclimber and stepmill, and a 0% incline is what I wanted.
Last week I did 1% at the end and bumped against LT too fast. This week
I wanted 0% at the same pace to keep it below LT longer. I don't pretend
to think there's anything about a tm that relates to trail running other
than some cardio benefits. Different people use the tm for different
purposes.
Dot
--
"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
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Date: 26 Nov 2006 11:43:57
From: Steve Freides
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net > wrote in message
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> Steve Freides wrote:
>
> > Point
>> granted, but I still see no reason _not_ to use the 1/2 or 1% incline
>> when running on the treadmill.
>>
>
> Steve, Are the tm that most people use calibrated closely enough that
> you can tell the difference between .5 and 1%? I understand that some
> come with a min of 1.5% slope.
I don't know. I have a pretty old commercial one here that I bought for
$200 from my local Y when the upgraded a few years ago. It cost me
another $300 to get it here and have the service person give it a
throrough going over, but it's in good working order and I expect it
will outlast me. No one here uses it for anything _except_ running when
they want to run but the weather prevents them from doing so.
Mine doesn't have 1/2 percent, only 1 percent increments, but the new
ones at the Y do have 1/2 percent increments. Can I tell the
difference? I doubt it, but I also doubt I can tell the difference
between training at two speeds that are close, and sometimes that
matters and sometimes it doesn't - most times it doesn't. Short
answer - I just set mine at 1% incline when I want a workout that
duplicates what I do outdoors and it seems to work out well for me.
> To answer your question, I'll set it a 0% if I'm at the end of a hard
> workout, and I'm just working on a little faster pace (not effort).
> I've already done 1-min (machine circuits) on it from -3 to 15%, not
> to mention versaclimber and stepmill, and a 0% incline is what I
> wanted. Last week I did 1% at the end and bumped against LT too fast.
> This week I wanted 0% at the same pace to keep it below LT longer. I
> don't pretend to think there's anything about a tm that relates to
> trail running other than some cardio benefits. Different people use
> the tm for different purposes.
Although I don't run much any more, I've done my share of treadmill
time - I recall one miserable 18-miler on a treadmill when I was
training for a marathon, the weather was awful, my schedule was busy,
and I just had to get in that run on that day. My wife met me at the
gym once during the run to bring me fresh water bottles so I wouldn't
have to interrupt my "run," nice person that she is, and the entire
treadmill was pretty much covered in my sweat and I had to clean it off
afterwards - the gym wasn't thrilled with me.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
> Dot
>
> --
> "Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
>
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 09:44:06
From: Steve Freides
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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<nomail1983@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1164269815.190738.291440@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> When my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical, I tried to correct
> him, saying that "running" involves the foot leaving the ground, which
> he agreed is not what he meant. His foot does not leave the "pedal"
> (foot platform?) of the elliptical. But he still insists that he is
> "running". I offered the term "spinning" -- although that might not
> be
> correct either. (Certainly the people that own the Spinning trademark
> would disagree with me ;->.)
>
> So my question is: what is the term typically used to describe "going
> very fast" on an elliptical? Is it truly called "running"?
I like your "going very fast," because he's not running.
> PS: My son says he "runs" on an elliptical in order to "retrain" his
> stride to avoid the "shin splints" he suffered after (truly) running
> on
> cement and asphalt. Since the elliptical motion seems very different
> to me than an actual running stride, I wonder: is it a good idea to
> "run" on an elliptical for that purpose? Are there better ways to
> learn to avoid shin splints and other running injuries?
Your son clearly has a lot to learn. :)
He is retraining his stride to the pattern of an elliptical machine,
useful for cardiovascular, aerobic type of fitness, useful for getting
good at using the elliptical, and nearly useless for anything else.
There are lots of ways to avoid shin splints and other running injuries.
If he wants to run, do a web search on "barefoot running" and similar
terms and learn about how to run properly. Then research training
programs, including the common, and common sense advice never to
increase by more than 10% per week in any parameter of a running
program - distance, intensity, etc. Then make sure he has shoes that
fit and are designed for his feet, his gait, and his type of running
surface - I have found that, if one runs with good form, the less shoe
the better, but if one doesn't run with good form, then a lot of shoe
and the proper type of shoe is very important.
All exercise should be goal driven, even if that goal is a modest "stay
fit." What is your son trying to accomplish? If it is just "stay fit,"
he has plenty of alternatives to running. Besides other aerobic
activities, many people, me included, have stopped running, swimming,
bicycling, and the like, and taken up pursuits that involve more pure
strength and the hybrid strength/endurance, which together have found me
in the best shape of my life at age 51 after a few decades of endurance
sports (none of it earth-shaking, but I was a 20 minute 5k runner, an
"A" level amateur cyclist, and a good swimmer). Martial arts study a
few times a week is another excellent alternative. You can find out
about my personal exercise choices by following the link below but the
point is that thinking this through more than just "I'm supposed to run
and I get shin splits so I'm going to use the elliptical really fast" is
what's in order in my humble opinion, based on what you've said.
Hope that's of some help to you, and Happy Thanksgiving Day.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 08:05:56
From: Lowtuc Zow
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 20:02:39
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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So take a mid 34s 10k guy (like me) who is doing aerobic training runs
at
7:30mpm on a treadmill. Do you think I'm going to find it that hard to
run at
7:30mpm when I get outdoors ?
When I first transitioned, yes, I did find it harder, but not because
of the "grade," rather
an proprioceptive physical coordination challenge. I feel like a get a
better training workout on the treadmill because I can pace myself in a
controlled manner, and I reinforce better running form, by keeping my
body aligned.
But that training did not not easily translate to real road running,
which for me, involves more stop and start, zig-zagging through
traffic, and generally, I think, shorter strides. The forced treadmill
pace keeps me on task better, too; I get bored easily on the road. If I
had a better route, which I could do mindlessly, and get more zoned
out, I might feel different about road running.
Clearly, I am no competitor; but this is my own sense of the
differences between treadmill and road running, off a track. Further,
it feels as though slightly different muscles are utilized, advantages
to each; I am speculating.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 12:44:19
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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Unfortuneately, the more they upgrade the models, the less, in my
opinion, the exercise elliptical really does anything!
The older models appeal to more than the overly fancy newer models,
which are all machine, no exercise.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 12:27:09
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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I am not overly fond of the elliptical,
but I do find that, as a X-trainer, the model
with the hand pedals, which also work one's
upper body, is useful for the purpose of
engaging, or simulating, the rhythm of whole body movement
used in running, vs, say, a bike or stairmaster,
which use only the lower body.
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 06:05:28
From: bluezfolk
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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Gemini Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:02:54 +0000 (UTC), Elflord <abuse@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 2006-11-23, nomail1983@hotmail.com <nomail1983@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> When my son said that he "runs" on an elliptical, I tried to correct
> >> him, saying that "running" involves the foot leaving the ground, which
> >> he agreed is not what he meant. His foot does not leave the "pedal"
> >> (foot platform?) of the elliptical. But he still insists that he is
> >> "running". I offered the term "spinning" -- although that might not be
> >> correct either. (Certainly the people that own the Spinning trademark
> >> would disagree with me ;->.)
> >
> >It's not "running". Part of the "running stride" involves impact. It will
> >help him maintain some conditioning during down time from running, but that's
> >what it is -- downtime from running.
>
> Are there any differences at all in the effects of running on a
> treadmill as opposed to not?
>
> >
> >There are certainly other ways besides "not running" (no, "running on an
> >elliptical" doesn't count) to avoid running injuries. Whether or not they are
> >"better" depends on goals, but if one of those goals is to be able to run
> >reasonably well, then ultimately "not running" isn't a long term solution.
> >
> >Most common causes of running injuries are "too much too soon", and "racing
> >during training runs". The latter is quite likely to be an issue with a
> >young male runner who appears to know very little about training ...
> >Proper footwear also reduces injury risk.
> >
> >If he has access to a treadmill, that may be an appropriate way to get a feel
> >for appropriate training pace (about 1:30-2:00 minutes per mile slower than 5k
> >time)
> >
> >Cheers,
> ~GJ~
A few years ago the woman who was the only USA olympic marathon
qualifier that year (sorry I forget her name) trained almost
exclusively on a tredmil, so its a pretty good training tool for
runners. Personally I have a tredmil and hate it.
Eric
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 14:22:01
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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On 2006-11-24, bluezfolk <ericreh@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> A few years ago the woman who was the only USA olympic marathon
> qualifier that year (sorry I forget her name) trained almost
> exclusively on a tredmil, so its a pretty good training tool for
> runners. Personally I have a tredmil and hate it.
Christine Clark
There are other top runners who also use treadmills. It's not that uncommon.
Most runners I know can't stand more than about 1hr on a treadmill, so that is
the main thing that rules out using it exclusively ...
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 19:36:18
From: Dot
Subject: Re: Can you "run" on an elliptical?
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bluezfolk wrote:
>
>
> A few years ago the woman who was the only USA olympic marathon
> qualifier that year (sorry I forget her name) trained almost
> exclusively on a tredmil, so its a pretty good training tool for
> runners. Personally I have a tredmil and hate it.
Chris Clark.
Embedded in a long thread elsewhere:
While Christine Clark did *most* of her training on the treadmill,
various reports that I've seen suggest she only used it for speed work
or about 2/3 of her training. (That would imply 2/3 of her work was
speed work, and I'm not sure that's accurate. Probably quotes from
different contexts.)
More general comments on treadmill training.
http://www.runningtimes.com/issues/02janfeb/treadmill.htm
" U.S. Olympic marathoner Christine Clark... told a reporter with the
Washington Running Report that she only uses the treadmill for speed
work, not distance training."
clipped from
http://www.townonline.com/natick/news/local_regional/ntb_newnamaratho...
"Instead of running more than 100 miles a week, she does 70. Instead of
running on the roads regularly, she does about two-thirds of her
training on a treadmill because of the icy conditions in Anchorage."
clipped from
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/olympics/news/2000/02/26/marathon_tr...
Her more usual training:
"I try to stay completely off the treadmill after April. I don't get
back on it until it gets dark and we have snow, which is about the
middle or end of October...Now, we have a wonderful trail system through
the woods which is rolling hills and dirt paths, and I try to stick to
that....I try to do one quality speed workout a week, on the trails
here."
clipped from
http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-0-0-3231,00.html
_____
More recently: "I couldn't do a winter like that on the treadmill. I
don't know if I could ever be that anal again."
from: http://www.adn.com/sports/story/5425199p-5361213c.html
Dot
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"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
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