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Date: 16 May 2006 09:59:51
From: Newsdude
Subject: Business owner dies after 25K run
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From the Grand Rapids (MI), Press:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-
29/1147719908256420.xml&coll=6
Business owner dies after 25K run
GRAND RAPIDS -- After running the Fifth Third River Bank Run for the
first time -- and beating his dad -- 14-year-old Simon VanLangevelde ran
back onto the course so he and his father could finish the race together.
At the finish line of Saturday's 25K run, the Holland father and son
embraced. "We did it," said the father, David VanLangevelde.
Moments later in a nearby parking lot, the 47-year-old man collapsed and
died of an apparent heart attack as his son tried to save his life.
Simon will always remember the finish line.
"That will always be the thing I remember -- the last father-son bond,"
he said today. "I know I'll forget all those bad parts."
VanLangevelde, a prominent Grand Rapids businessman and the father of
five children, had no known medical problems, said his brother-in-law,
Brian Broekhuizen.
"It's one of life's crazy contradictions," Broekhuizen said. "You're in
good enough shape to run a race, and you die walking back to your car."
VanLangevelde and his son trained for several months for the race.
"We enjoyed just being able to run together," said Simon, an eighth-
grader at South Shore Christian Middle School in Holland. "Just last week
he said, 'It's not the big family vacations that you remember, it's just
the special little moments,' like being able to run with me, that he
enjoyed."
Simon said his dad, who finished the race in just less than 2 1/2 hours,
complained of chest pains as they walked to the car. "He gave me the
phone. He said, 'Just in case.' "
His father bent over, stood back up, then yelled "Call, call" as he
collapsed next to their car.
With instructions from a 911 dispatcher, Simon performed CPR. His father
was pronounced dead at Spectrum Health Butterworth Campus. "I don't know
if he ever got his heartbeat back," his son said.
Dors told relatives he likely died of a heart attack. They are
awaiting autopsy results.
Race officials were stunned by the death.
"It was such a positive day, ... then you hear about one of our runners
dying after the race," said Greg Meyer, River Bank Run recruiter. "My
heart goes out to the son. He ran with his dad. They were doing something
they wanted to do together. Something that should be good to do
together."
"That death is sickening. It's touched a lot of us," said River Bank Run
director Kristen Aidif. She said she heard rumors Saturday someone had
been transported to a hospital.
"But no one, including our medical people, received any confirmation on
it, because no one was in need of an ambulance on the course," she said.
Another runner died after the River Bank Run in 1982. Thomas Guerre, a
29-year-old from East Lansing, suffered a heart attack and collapsed at
the finish line.
"Running doesn't make you immune to health issues," Meyer said.
VanLangevelde owned WorkSquared Inc., the state's largest Herman Miller
Inc. dealership, located next to Van Andel Arena in downtown Grand
Rapids.
Friends and relatives of VanLangevelde said he was an athlete who played
basketball and previously had run the 15 1/2-mile River Bank race. He
coached boys basketball at Holland Christian middle schools.
"He loved playing basketball with his boys, " Scott Kline, vice president
of sales at WorkSquared, said.
"Dave was a man of complete integrity. It's unwavering," Kline said. "I
lost a friend, a mentor and the leader of our organization."
VanLangevelde was a devoted Christian, said Broekhuizen. "That permeated
everything he did: Being a husband, being a father to five children," he
said.
VanLangevelde started his career at Meridian Furniture in 1985 before the
company was purchased by Herman Miller. He owned Herman Miller
dealerships in Chicago and West Michigan before launching WorkSquared.
"It is a great loss for the company," said Herman Miller spokesman Mark
Schurman, who attended church with VanLangevelde in Holland. "Obviously,
our thoughts are with his wife and family."
He is survived by his wife of 26 years, Laurie, and their children:
Simon, Gabe, Josie, Leah and Luke.
Other family members include his father, Gerrit VanLangevelde, two
brothers, and his in-laws, Ren and Elsa Prince-Broekhuizen, all of
Holland.
Visitation will be from 4 to 7 p.m. Tuesday and 6 to 9 p.m. Wednesday at
Ridge Point Community Church, 340 104th Ave., Holland. A memorial
service, open to all, will be held at the church after a private burial.
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Date: 16 May 2006 22:41:22
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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I was there.
I set up a "cigarettes & pork rinds" table every year, for participants
of all three races run that day.
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Date: 16 May 2006 20:41:06
From: steve common
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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Newsdude <lousy@connection.com > wrote:
>From the Grand Rapids (MI), Press:
>
>http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-
How do you rate our chances of ever hearing what the results of the
autopsy were?
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Date: 16 May 2006 16:16:48
From: Newsdude
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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steve common <stevenZ.common@wanadoo.fr > wrote in
news:837k621g5sve4quscer1oa8cmcluj9rm8q@4ax.com:
> Newsdude <lousy@connection.com> wrote:
>
>>From the Grand Rapids (MI), Press:
>>
>>http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-
>
> How do you rate our chances of ever hearing what the results of the
> autopsy were?
>
I work in the Detroit news media, so I don't always see what's happening in
GR, but I'll make a point of watching the state wires at night to see if
they follow up at all. I'm curious, too.
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Date: 16 May 2006 22:59:02
From: Low Hertz
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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Newsdude wrote:
> steve common <stevenZ.common@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
> news:837k621g5sve4quscer1oa8cmcluj9rm8q@4ax.com:
>
>
>>Newsdude <lousy@connection.com> wrote:
>>
>>>From the Grand Rapids (MI), Press:
>>
>>>http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-
>>
>>How do you rate our chances of ever hearing what the results of the
>>autopsy were?
>>
>
> I work in the Detroit news media, so I don't always see what's happening in
> GR, but I'll make a point of watching the state wires at night to see if
> they follow up at all. I'm curious, too.
Most people die from NOT exercising than exercising. And, worse, the
quality of their life is greatly diminished. Statistically, people that
exercise live longer, are healthier, have less pain, have better immune
systems, but they will have to listen to morons that love to find
someone that died when they exercised.
How about going to a retirement community and pointing out all the
people that are crippled because they haven't done jack shit.
My father, in his 80s walks or rides a bike every day.
He used to car pool to NY every day. His car pool members used to laugh
at him, he got out a few miles early and walked the last few blocks.
He's the only one from his car pool that's still alive. That doesn't
make a newspaper. Man alive because he exercised.
His OLDER brother is still exercising. Keeps his mind sharp enough to
still testify before Congress. Of course, we buried my grandmother last
year, doing aquatics in her 90s. Still cracking jokes in the hospice.
That doesn't make the news either.
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Date: 16 May 2006 18:15:29
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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"Low Hertz" <LowHertz@BeBop.Org > wrote in message
news:WOsag.19895$HA2.12387@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
>
>>
> He used to car pool to NY every day. His car pool members used to laugh
> at him, he got out a few miles early and walked the last few blocks.
> He's the only one from his car pool that's still alive. That doesn't
> make a newspaper. Man alive because he exercised.
>
> His OLDER brother is still exercising. Keeps his mind sharp enough to
> still testify before Congress. Of course, we buried my grandmother last
> year, doing aquatics in her 90s. Still cracking jokes in the hospice.
> That doesn't make the news either.
What the hell is your point dumbass? Anybody with a brain knows tha
exercising is way more healthy than not but it doesn't change the fact that
every once in a while, we read on this newsgroup that somebody died before,
during, or after a race and it is still sad.
Shit, as runners many of us know people in their 70's finishing marathons
and people in their 90's finishing races. Now, go locate some compassion,
asshole.
>
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Date: 21 May 2006 00:46:49
From: Low Hertz
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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Robert wrote:
> "Low Hertz" <LowHertz@BeBop.Org> wrote in message
> news:WOsag.19895$HA2.12387@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
>>
>>He used to car pool to NY every day. His car pool members used to laugh
>>at him, he got out a few miles early and walked the last few blocks.
>>He's the only one from his car pool that's still alive. That doesn't
>>make a newspaper. Man alive because he exercised.
>>
>>His OLDER brother is still exercising. Keeps his mind sharp enough to
>>still testify before Congress. Of course, we buried my grandmother last
>>year, doing aquatics in her 90s. Still cracking jokes in the hospice.
>>That doesn't make the news either.
>
>
> What the hell is your point dumbass? Anybody with a brain knows tha
> exercising is way more healthy than not but it doesn't change the fact that
> every once in a while, we read on this newsgroup that somebody died before,
> during, or after a race and it is still sad.
>
> Shit, as runners many of us know people in their 70's finishing marathons
> and people in their 90's finishing races. Now, go locate some compassion,
> asshole.
People dying after/during running makes news. There are even people who
will read this group, and even this topic and rationalize why they
shouldn't exercise. The point is very clear, people's health improved
doesn't make the daily news.
>
>
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Date: 18 May 2006 15:34:56
From: Wylie Wilde
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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My trainer instructor used to emphasis that if you don't warm down after a
heavy exercise- you could do some damage to the heart.
Maybe that's the reason? He just didn't warm down after the intense run? 25k
in 1.5 hours is pretty good.
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Date: 18 May 2006 10:40:33
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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"Wylie Wilde" <sniper968@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:446c075f$0$25131$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> My trainer instructor used to emphasis that if you don't warm down
> after a heavy exercise- you could do some damage to the heart.
Get a new trainer, it's not true. Warm down is not for your heart.
> Maybe that's the reason? He just didn't warm down after the intense
> run? 25k in 1.5 hours is pretty good.
For a 5 or 10k a warm down will help get rid some of that excess lactic
acid although a nice walk will do the same but less macho. With a 25k or
beyond, a warm down takes too much energy. And when the race distances
get even larger I can assure you a warm down is opening a beer and
taking a shower.
According to your trainer those of us that do ultra races should all
have heart problems or dead?
-DF
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Date: 18 May 2006 15:11:05
From: Parker Race
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "Wylie Wilde" <sniper968@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:446c075f$0$25131$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>My trainer instructor used to emphasis that if you don't warm down
>>after a heavy exercise- you could do some damage to the heart.
>
>
> Get a new trainer, it's not true. Warm down is not for your heart.
>
>
>
>>Maybe that's the reason? He just didn't warm down after the intense
>>run? 25k in 1.5 hours is pretty good.
>
>
> For a 5 or 10k a warm down will help get rid some of that excess lactic
> acid although a nice walk will do the same but less macho.
Lot's of discussion about Lactic acid on Let's Run as the result of a
recent NYT article: "Lactic Acid Is Not Muscles' Foe, It's Fuel"
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1355354
> With a 25k or
> beyond, a warm down takes too much energy. And when the race distances
> get even larger I can assure you a warm down is opening a beer and
> taking a shower.
>
> According to your trainer those of us that do ultra races should all
> have heart problems or dead?
>
> -DF
>
>
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Date: 19 May 2006 21:55:47
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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"Parker Race" <prace@internal.int > wrote in message
news:d80bg.228$8G3.213@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> For a 5 or 10k a warm down will help get rid some of that excess
>> lactic acid although a nice walk will do the same but less macho.
>
>
> Lot's of discussion about Lactic acid on Let's Run as the result of a
> recent NYT article: "Lactic Acid Is Not Muscles' Foe, It's Fuel"
>
> http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1355354
Parker, a retort to that article.
""Well, the article was interesting but clearly written by someone who
is not
a biochemist.
The biochemistry of shuttling lactate back into fuel has been known for
a
long time. It's not like it was discovered yesterday.
What the article doesn't discuss at all is the aspect of acid
accumulation
in the muscles when lactic acid is produced. "Combustion" of
carbohydrate
leads to the production of acid, and it is the acid part of lactic acid
that
causes problems. Lactic acid = acid ( hydrogen ion ) + lactate ion.
The lactate can be used for fuel, but the hydrogen ions have to be
neutralized or muscle damage results. When hydrogen ions accumulate,
the
activity of muscle enzymes is degraded and the muscle becomes
compromised.
If all the carbohydrate stored in muscles was immediately converted to
lactic acid, the resulting acid generation would be enough to kill the
muscle fibers. The slowing down as acid accumulates is just a
protective
mechanism to make sure that you can't do permanent damage to the muscle
fibers by running at breakneck speed for a long time.
Should we consume lactate for fuel? Not really. Carbohydrate can be
processed more efficiently than lactate, so go for the carbs if you want
to
run fast. Training at fast pace helps the body adapt to using lactate,
and
buffering the acids produced during carbohydrate metabolism, so training
fast is indispensable for those who want to run fast. Owen Anderson of
Running Research News wrote a book that is a useful examination of
training
at lactate threshold for runners )"""
In any event, the warm down to help move/remove one some of
"byproducts."
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Date: 18 May 2006 11:17:43
From:
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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> My trainer instructor used to emphasis that if you don't warm down
> after a heavy exercise- you could do some damage to the heart.
DF > Get a new trainer, it's not true. Warm down is not for your heart.
Oh Mr. Sooooo experienced.... it's common knowledge that a cool-down is
important to allow your heart rate to descend gradually: What the
poster communicated and their statement is sound & valid for all
distances. Furthermore your statement "Warm down is not for your
heart" is in incorrect. Yes Doug, shock of all shock, once again you
are wrong. Warming down can be for many things but one is certainly
for your heart.
DF > According to your trainer those of us that do ultra races should
all
have heart problems or dead?
_
you're not? do you have any proof that you're not dead Doug? Might
this be because your heart rates are already at "warmd down levels"
whilst in your Ultra event? Perhaps at the end of your Ultras Doug,
if your heart rates got any lower you would be in hibernation.
"The health benefits of cooling down: Some of the many health benefits
of cooling down after exercise or sport include: Helps to gently return
heart rate, breathing and blood pressure to normal, Improves
flexibility, Reduces the risk of injury, Removes waste products from
muscle tissue (such as lactic acid) and helps to reduce the risk of
soreness"
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Date: 19 May 2006 22:06:20
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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<lanceandrew@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1147976263.371612.263930@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Oh Mr. Sooooo experienced.... it's common knowledge that a cool-down
> is
> important to allow your heart rate to descend gradually:
What dark brown place in your shorts did you pull this from. By the time
someone goes for a warm down their heart has long since settled. If
anything you are cranking you heat back up.
> What the
> poster communicated and their statement is sound & valid for all
> distances.
Show me the science, not just rhetoric.
>
> DF> According to your trainer those of us that do ultra races should
> all
> have heart problems or dead?
> _
>
> you're not? do you have any proof that you're not dead Doug?
Yup I recognize your trolls.
> "The health benefits of cooling down: Some of the many health benefits
> of cooling down after exercise or sport include: Helps to gently
> return
> heart rate, breathing and blood pressure to normal
Not if you have been sitting on your ass talking about the race as most
do when they finish.
> , Improves flexibility,
And it does this how?
> Reduces the risk of injury,
And it does this how?
> Removes waste products from
> muscle tissue (such as lactic acid) and helps to reduce the risk of
> soreness"
Finally a notion of truth buried in the rest of the gobbledygook.
Who's still you daddy?
-DF
>
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Date: 20 May 2006 16:55:49
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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Doug wrote:
> Who's still you daddy?
I bet when you say "Who's your daddy" you are referring to the work of
Italian DJ Benny Benassi, right?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GwrTvovPKEE&search=benassi
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Date: 21 May 2006 11:19:23
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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"Charlie Pendejo" <charlie.pendejo@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1148158583.139889@nntp.acecape.com...
> Doug wrote:
>> Who's still you daddy?
>
> I bet when you say "Who's your daddy" you are referring to the work of
> Italian DJ Benny Benassi, right?
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=GwrTvovPKEE&search=benassi
Why certainly! Heady stuff, so to speak. Is that a search engine find
or the reason you're not getting enought sleep. ;)
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Date: 19 May 2006 02:45:16
From: anders
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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Wylie Wilde kirjoitti:
> Maybe that's the reason? He just didn't warm down after the intense run? 25k
> in 1.5 hours is pretty good.
It would be _very_ good - but the runner in question had finished the
run in just under 2.5 hrs, i.e. at a avg pace of 9:36 min/mile.
(Depending on his physical condition and the health of his heart, this
may have been harder than it would seem, and it is possible he had
finished the run with a hard sprint.)
Anders
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Date: 19 May 2006 17:08:08
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Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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DF > Show me the science, not just rhetoric.
_
It's common knowledge Doug. You said, "Warm down is not for your
heart". Abruptly stopping after running can cause blood pooling. The
amount of oxygen you need is not pumped to your brain, you lose
consciousness and drop, often like a rock. This is commonly seen at
the end of races....happens all the time. You should know this Doug
and I am sure you've seen this....I have at least 2 dozen times.
These people that faint after crossing the finish line are doing so
from stopping (not cooling down), heart rate drastically dropping
causing blood pooling causing them to lose consciousness and drop like
a rock.
Not uncommon at all. Often prior to reaching the fainting point
volunteers spot them, recognize blood pooling and approaching fainting,
provide them oxygen (mask), the thing they denied their brain when they
did not allow their heart to gradually reduce its rate and sustain a
minimal /sufficient amount of Oxygen to the brain.
This is way to common knowledge for me to bother proving to you...and
you know it yourself. What you might not know is the array of possible
complications from sudden unconscious. Dropping like a rock and
cracking your head (which I have seen) is only the beginning. All
sorts nasty & tragic things can happen to you with unconsciousness.
http://www.adha.org/CE_courses/course2/unconscious_emergencies.htm
But the idea is to avert this very real potentiality that many of us on
the ng have certainly seen (fainting at the finish line by runners, the
result of blood pooling created directly from not allowing their heart
to gradually cool down and thereaby allow a minimal amount of O2 to be
supplied to the brain.
And Doug...sometimes it's simply better to say, "I was wrong" instead
of trying to defend the legitimacy of invalid statements like "Warm
down is not for your heart". This one Doug was Runner 101 and I
believe you know that.
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Date: 20 May 2006 09:46:43
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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<lanceandrew@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1148083688.466367.135690@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> DF> Show me the science, not just rhetoric.
> _
>
> It's common knowledge Doug. You said, "Warm down is not for your
> heart". Abruptly stopping after running can cause blood pooling. The
> amount of oxygen you need is not pumped to your brain, you lose
> consciousness and drop, often like a rock. This is commonly seen at
> the end of races....happens all the time. You should know this Doug
> and I am sure you've seen this....I have at least 2 dozen times.
Is English not your first language? This has nothing to do with a warm
down. The warm down is done some 5-15 after a race where one has
completed recovered and does a slow jog(although a walk or easy bike
ride will also work) to help move whatever those impurities are that
seem to pool in our legs. It's an extension of active recovery. It has
nothing to do with your ticker. I'm beginning to think that you have
experienced some severe oxygen debt in the past and why you're on
another planet. You're starting to wear your title of wingnut proudly
and frequently.
> These people that faint after crossing the finish line are doing so
> from stopping (not cooling down), heart rate drastically dropping
In this case, yes, the person should keep moving. This is not called a
warm down!
-DF
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Date: 20 May 2006 04:46:43
From:
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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cool down, warm down, i see you're playing the semantics card. the
point? doug, the original poster had the right idea and did not deserve
your invalid comments. the guy was simply saying his trainer (for
matters of the heart) advised a gradual decent, not a complete
stop...give the guy a break,..jeeezz....
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Date: 21 May 2006 11:15:47
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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<lanceandrew@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1148125603.369254.160840@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> cool down, warm down, i see you're playing the semantics card.
Not in the least. Cool down and warm down are the same thing just like
running and jogging are used interchangeably by non runners. If you are
calling what a runner does immediately after crossing the line a cool
down, you are taking extensive literary license.
Instead of tilting at another windmill take Dapple for a ride Sancho.
-DF
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Date: 21 May 2006 05:49:20
From:
Subject: Re: Business owner dies after 25K run
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Doug Freese wrote:
> Pendejo wrote:
> > I bet when you say "Who's your daddy" you are referring to the
> > work of Italian DJ Benny Benassi, right?
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=GwrTvovPKEE&search=benassi
>
> Why certainly! Heady stuff, so to speak. Is that a search engine
> find or the reason you're not getting enought sleep. ;)
The ol' lady reports that she nearly fell off her treadmill in the
health club of the Grand Hotel Ukraine when this video appeared on the
TV. She must've scoured the internets looking for a copy of the video
to show me. Having viewed this work of fine art I no longer feel
guilty for not getting into a single museum on my recent trip. ;-)
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