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Date: 22 Apr 2006 23:04:47
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Subject: Brokedown newbie de-lurk(long)
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Hmmmm where to start? Such an intimidating bunch of folks around here.
LOL Might as well get my money's worth before getting run off as a
music listening fat trail running middle aged hippie libertarian. Ok,
first off, was a fat fuck still a fat fuck. Was 5-9 235, now 5"8.5
190. No dietyet, but better sensibilities, still way TOO many
beers,sugar etc. Started a year ago(Nike Air Steens) a few weeks post
50th b-day. Started walking, shuffling up Iron Mt near Lakeside in San
Diego County.
http://www.nealwatkins.net/hiking/iron.shtml
At first was happy with 3 miles in 65 minutes, vertical gain and loss
about 600 feet or so. Some nice switchbacks, running (downhill)that
trail took me back to ski bum days in Vail 30 years ago. Ahhh the dead
shows,beers, ben and jerry's and buzzes that intervened since then.
Kept at it, mp3 player loaded with Dead, Coltrane, Davis,Yonder
Mountain Railroad Earth, Eric Burdon and some rave electronica soon had
me upping mileage weekly. Cutting time. Didn't know about this place,
good thing. lol Went to Iron Mt. about 3 times a week, sometimes 4.
By June, mileage was all of about 42 miles. FOR THE MONTH! Mostly 4
mile runs with added elevation gain, with 6 miles to the summit a few
times. By August it was 64 miles, hot here in August , runs usually
85-90, minutes 6 miles to the top,no water most of the time. HMmmm But
learned to drink well before and after. Now all days over 87 degrees at
trail head. Those days of drinking beers on the Colorado river or Lake
Mead came in handy. Teaches you de-hydration can be a bitch.
ober I hit 107 miles. Fastest time for the 6 miles or so was about
62 minutes, Mostly 70-80 minutes. 1200 elevation gain,1200 loss. Every
once in a while my knees would feel a bit stiff. Sore. Had that nice
tumble while wearing North Face XCR's. Had not really started to read
online about running. Another 100 miles in November, every run pretty
much the same 70 minutes give or take,1200 feet elevation loss and
gain. Started adding some 10 mile runs in there. Sometimes going 2,3
days in a row,sometimes every other day.
Ok,come December I stumble across heart rate monitors, trail running
books and other internet resources. Uh oh, too much info. Better get a
beer and spark another doob. The Polar HRM says I am probably over
training so I try to adhere to what it says. Tells me I am in an
"elite" class,yea right. Jan,Feb come and go 85 miles or so each month
due to concerts and skiing. Did get in a nice Sabino Canyon rim run in
Tucson though.
End of Feb I seemingly tweak my knee catching my toes(Nike Orizaba) on
a rock. Ok, take some time off,about 4 days,get back slowly,having
googled running injuries and finding this place I believe patience
might be a key. So come back and figure time to try a local hike
rumored to be one of the toughest in San Diego County,and under whose
shadow I live needs to be climbed. El Capitan has been closed since the
fires a few years ago, but has recently re-opened.
Mt.http://www.nealwatkins.net/hiking/elcapitan.shtml
Did it 3 times, in 3 weeks., going from 5 hours the first 13 mile
hike/run down to 3 :35 minutes the third week . 4000 feet of elevation
gain and loss, starting out with 128 ozs of gatorade and water,1500
cals of pro-bars,and other stuff. About 12 lbs of stuff. Some of these
grades of old mining roads were steep. and 8000 feet of loss and gain
is a bit I think?
So feeling good that third week in a row, till the last half mile,
quads seemingly somewhat hurting, perhaps knees. Figured just because I
pushed it and added an other 800 feet of vertical.
Wait 1 days then go to do 4 miles at Iron Mt. Then wait another day
thinking that hmmm, that race in Malibu next month might be nice for a
first race ever. The idea of 50 miles in a race suddenly not so
daunting. And then I go to top of Iron Mt, immediately on the way
down something is up, but thanks to many of you wise folks and other
info gleaned elsewhere I figure I will NOT run through it. My knee is
hurting, chrondolacia or ITB,who knows. Get home ice, ibuprofin,
beers,doobs all ok the next day. SO give it a few days, then figure I
will go do a flat trail, something I have never really done in the last
year. Went to Mission trails Park. Sucked into one 300 foot climb, when
i came to a mountain biker headed up the flats. Doh! Did about 80
minutes, that night I was hurting. But ok the next day. But has me
thinking "am I hurt,is this what i have been reading that everyone goes
through eventually"
Been about 4 days DNR now, is it just time to take it easy? Sure am
missing headed up to Iron Mt or El Cap,as they both stare at me all
day. Did I add those long runs too fast coming back from slight
mileage decrease beginning of March?? Too hard? Has it just been the
last year catching up to this old still too many beer drinking pot
smoking wannabe ultra runner? Oh well. Guess I'll figure it out.
I figure I will start my mileage up again slowly. But the idea of
giving up these hills is not so comforting. Perhaps I will just walk
downhill for awhile. And yes, would be nice to give up beer ,pot and
sugar and go faster. Oh well,all good things in all good times. Thanks
for the entertaining info around here.
Peace
jeff
"America is at that awkward stage.
It's too late to work within the system,
but too early to shoot the bastards.
Claire Wolf
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Date: 23 Apr 2006 07:16:39
From: thehick
Subject: Re: Brokedown newbie de-lurk(long)
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nice to see a writer show up. let's hear your tales.
...thehick
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Date: 23 Apr 2006 12:48:40
From:
Subject: Re: Brokedown newbie de-lurk(long)
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Karl Schendel wrote:
> In article <1145772286.970691.151680@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> frndthdevl@aol.com wrote:
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> >
> > Been about 4 days DNR now, is it just time to take it easy?
>
> Might be. You didn't give much detail about what hurts when.
L knee mostly on the inside of the knee.(chrondolacia?) A vague
stiffness sometimes while running, bit of discomfort. Though last week
had a bit on the outside a few hours after running, ITB?
Realistically, I think at age 51 my knees are going to be feeling
something everytime, especially after 8000 feet of gain and loss in 13
miles. Though from research I don't want to make it worse. Don't really
feel any pain at times other than immediately after running for a few
hours,or as stated a bit recently while running downhill. Ice and 400
mgs of ibuprofin seems to be enough to take care of the issues.
> Knee pain can be anything from a few days (minor bump / inflammation)
> to 8 weeks (moderate sprain). It's probably not worse than that
> or you wouldn't be even talking about starting again, you'd be
> looking for crutches.
>
> Those still the same shoes you started with? If so, ditch 'em,
> get new ones. For me, the first ache after about 250 miles on a
> pair = throw them away. YMMV.
I have replaced shoes, and have a new pair ready to go at the end of
this month which would put about 400 miles on current ones.
>
> You don't necessarily need to give up the hills when you start up,
> but I would sure go easy on them at first.
>
> Karl
thanks for the info. What is "easy" on hills? I would think most around
here would think 12 minutes per mile is easy. OR does the 1400 foot
elevation gain and then subsequent loss make that much of a difference
versus running on flat trails? My average HR was 135/80% for 3 hours 38
minutes,with a bit of pause at the summit on the last 13 mile trek,
with 8000 feet of gain and loss. So inspired by all this trail running
I went out and got National Geographic Topo,v ery cool to do the
profiles of ones runs. Also has street maps for those inclined to the
blacktop.
peace
jeff
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Date: 23 Apr 2006 19:17:26
From: pam in sc
Subject: Re: Brokedown newbie de-lurk(long)
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frndthdevl@aol.com wrote:
> L knee mostly on the inside of the knee.(chrondolacia?) A vague
> stiffness sometimes while running, bit of discomfort. Though last week
> had a bit on the outside a few hours after running, ITB?
> Realistically, I think at age 51 my knees are going to be feeling
> something everytime, especially after 8000 feet of gain and loss in 13
> miles. Though from research I don't want to make it worse. Don't really
> feel any pain at times other than immediately after running for a few
> hours,or as stated a bit recently while running downhill. Ice and 400
> mgs of ibuprofin seems to be enough to take care of the issues.
I'm 50 and have been running two years (though not mountains) and my
knee twinges have almost completely gone away. I attribute it to
building up strength both through running and through swimming with a
masters group (which means kicking with fins and lots of different
strokes and drills so lots of different leg muscles). If you don't want
to swim you might consider working out with weights to build up all the
different muscles that support your knees.
Pam
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Date: 23 Apr 2006 15:21:38
From: Karl Schendel
Subject: Re: Brokedown newbie de-lurk(long)
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In article <1145772286.970691.151680@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
frndthdevl@aol.com wrote:
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> Been about 4 days DNR now, is it just time to take it easy?
Might be. You didn't give much detail about what hurts when.
Knee pain can be anything from a few days (minor bump / inflammation)
to 8 weeks (moderate sprain). It's probably not worse than that
or you wouldn't be even talking about starting again, you'd be
looking for crutches.
Those still the same shoes you started with? If so, ditch 'em,
get new ones. For me, the first ache after about 250 miles on a
pair = throw them away. YMMV.
You don't necessarily need to give up the hills when you start up,
but I would sure go easy on them at first.
Karl
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