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Date: 23 Aug 2006 15:34:51
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Subject: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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Billy Mills winning 10K, 1964
-Heading into the final turn, check out how hard he gets elbowed,
completely pushed over to the next lane and stride screwed up.......yet
he does not quit...he's haning, gets boxed in....sees an
opening....comes completely out of nowhere to win. This is the
greatest final 100 feet sprint to the finish that I've ever seen. Even
looking at it it's almost unbelievable to see.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnFla7g84PU
Emil Zatopek, 5K
-He's leading into the final lap yet gets passed on the back
stretch....he's now at the back of the pack heading into the final
turn.....poor guy in front of him looks over his left should to
locate/place Zatopek....he's nowhere to be seen as Zatopek timed it
perfectly, does it the hard way, goes wide on the right in the turn,
he's elbowed of course (seems to be standard practice in this era), and
motors past the 3 runners ahead of him as the former leader takes a
face plant into the track. Awesome footage.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kAm7LLIFxIg
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 00:03:10
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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<lanceandrew@aol.com > wrote
> Billy Mills winning 10K, 1964
> -Heading into the final turn, check out how hard he gets elbowed
Yeah, Clarke just shoves the two guys in front (mills and Gammoudi(?))
sideways like a knife through butter. A real pro -- used his arm to push
Mills sideways at the hip in a quick motion.
> completely pushed over to the next lane and stride screwed up.......yet
> he does not quit...he's haning, gets boxed in....sees an
> opening....comes completely out of nowhere to win. This is the
> greatest final 100 feet sprint to the finish that I've ever seen. Even
> looking at it it's almost unbelievable to see.
It's supernatural. Looking at both Mills and Zatopek, they both go into a
real sprint, with huge strides and shoulders and arms pumping, as opposed to
the other guys who seem to keep their form.
Interesting how both of them won going wide on the last turn. I just read
"The Perfect Mile", and Landy used to do that, too. It seems to be that if
you've got what it takes to run 20% faster than anyone else in the last
100m, that losing a couple of feet in the last turn doesn't matter much.
Thanks for posting this Lance, great stuff...
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 00:35:16
From: Donovan Rebbechi
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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On 2006-08-24, Dan Stumpus <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com > wrote:
> Interesting how both of them won going wide on the last turn. I just read
> "The Perfect Mile", and Landy used to do that, too. It seems to be that if
> you've got what it takes to run 20% faster than anyone else in the last
> 100m, that losing a couple of feet in the last turn doesn't matter much.
You recover some of your losses partly because you don't have to work as hard
to maintain a tight turn (really helps accelerate out of the bend), and partly
because you save some by being less obstructed in the outer lanes. If you have
extra momentum coming off the bend, you also have a long straightaway to cash
in your extra speed.
On a short indoor track like Madison square gardens (11 to the mile), it's much
harder to pull off a move like that. There's a big advantage to just getting out
front from the beginning.
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 16:20:44
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com > wrote
>> Interesting how both of them won going wide on the last turn. I just
>> read
>> "The Perfect Mile", and Landy used to do that, too. It seems to be that
>> if
>> you've got what it takes to run 20% faster than anyone else in the last
>> 100m, that losing a couple of feet in the last turn doesn't matter much.
>
> You recover some of your losses partly because you don't have to work as
> hard
> to maintain a tight turn (really helps accelerate out of the bend), and
> partly
> because you save some by being less obstructed in the outer lanes. If you
> have
> extra momentum coming off the bend, you also have a long straightaway to
> cash
> in your extra speed.
That all makes sense. I've never raced on a track (just intervals with
maybe 1 or two others of differing abilities), and have no idea what I'm
talking about :-)
-- Dan
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 17:35:52
From: Todd
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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<lanceandrew@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1156372491.155067.37040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Billy Mills winning 10K, 1964
> -Heading into the final turn, check out how hard he gets elbowed,
> completely pushed over to the next lane and stride screwed up.......yet
> he does not quit...he's haning, gets boxed in....sees an
> opening....comes completely out of nowhere to win. This is the
> greatest final 100 feet sprint to the finish that I've ever seen. Even
> looking at it it's almost unbelievable to see.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnFla7g84PU
>
>
This video has been posted to rec.running a few times but it has been a
while. I met Billy Mills (he is a native American that came off the
reservation to go to college and run and almost quit as he was homesick)
once when he was a featured speaker and his story is more surprising than
the race. He was a longshot to be at the Olympics. Very inspiring.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 20:00:21
From: Al K
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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Inspiring video ~ Thanks, Al K
"Todd" <Todd33@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> <lanceandrew@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1156372491.155067.37040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Billy Mills winning 10K, 1964
>> -Heading into the final turn, check out how hard he gets elbowed,
>> completely pushed over to the next lane and stride screwed up.......yet
>> he does not quit...he's haning, gets boxed in....sees an
>> opening....comes completely out of nowhere to win. This is the
>> greatest final 100 feet sprint to the finish that I've ever seen. Even
>> looking at it it's almost unbelievable to see.
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnFla7g84PU
>>
>>
>
> This video has been posted to rec.running a few times but it has been a
> while. I met Billy Mills (he is a native American that came off the
> reservation to go to college and run and almost quit as he was homesick)
> once when he was a featured speaker and his story is more surprising than
> the race. He was a longshot to be at the Olympics. Very inspiring.
>
>
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 16:50:32
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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Phil wrote:
> lance wrote:
>> [Mills] sees an opening....comes completely out of nowhere to win.
>> This is the greatest final 100 feet sprint to the finish that I've
>> ever seen. Even looking at it it's almost unbelievable to see.
>
> I've probably seen this over 100 times. I gives me goose bumps
> every time.
Mills' race and kick is awesome, the stuff of legend.
But the finishing kick that I find even harder to believe - I still
think there's no way he can do it on my 47th viewing - is Dave Wottle
in the 1972 Munich Olympics 800m:
http://www.racingsnailclub.com/video/72%20Olympic%20800.wmv
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 23:57:41
From: Phil M.
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com wrote:
> Phil wrote:
>> lance wrote:
>>> [Mills] sees an opening....comes completely out of nowhere to win.
>>> This is the greatest final 100 feet sprint to the finish that I've
>>> ever seen. Even looking at it it's almost unbelievable to see.
>>
>> I've probably seen this over 100 times. I gives me goose bumps
>> every time.
>
> Mills' race and kick is awesome, the stuff of legend.
>
> But the finishing kick that I find even harder to believe - I still
> think there's no way he can do it on my 47th viewing - is Dave Wottle
> in the 1972 Munich Olympics 800m:
>
> http://www.racingsnailclub.com/video/72%20Olympic%20800.wmv
Oh my! How could I forget? I was 15 at the time and I remember watching
that with my father. Astonishing!
--
Phil M.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 19:14:53
From: Phil M.
Subject: Re: Billy Mills & Zatopek
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lanceandrew@aol.com wrote:
> Billy Mills winning 10K, 1964 -Heading into the final turn, check out
> how hard he gets elbowed, completely pushed over to the next lane and
> stride screwed up.......yet he does not quit...he's haning, gets boxed
> in....sees an opening....comes completely out of nowhere to win. This
> is the greatest final 100 feet sprint to the finish that I've ever
> seen. Even looking at it it's almost unbelievable to see.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnFla7g84PU
I've probably seen this over 100 times. I gives me goose bumps every
time.
> Emil Zatopek, 5K -He's leading into the final lap yet gets passed on
> the back stretch....he's now at the back of the pack heading into the
> final turn.....poor guy in front of him looks over his left should to
> locate/place Zatopek....he's nowhere to be seen as Zatopek timed it
> perfectly, does it the hard way, goes wide on the right in the turn,
> he's elbowed of course (seems to be standard practice in this era),
> and motors past the 3 runners ahead of him as the former leader takes
> a face plant into the track. Awesome footage.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=kAm7LLIFxIg
A classic example of why Zatopek was called the human locomotive.
--
Phil M.
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