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Date: 23 Mar 2006 14:26:58
From: John Banks
Subject: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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I have used Asics for years; either Nimbus or Kayano - both are fine,
but I always seem to get a burning sensation under my toes on long runs
(12+). I should not that I have always had this pain, whether running
in Nike's, Saucony, etc., always seems to come on in the 10-14 miles
range.
I visited a podiatrist thinking I had nueromas - didn't. He gave me
some metatarsal pads - I tried these, but they were so uncomfortable I
could never get used to them - I prefered the burning sensation to it.
I am hoping to find some shoes with better forefront cushioning to help
delay the on-set of this pain.
Any suggestions?
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Date: 23 Mar 2006 20:49:19
From: sammy
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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John Banks submitted this idea :
> I have used Asics for years; either Nimbus or Kayano - both are fine,
> but I always seem to get a burning sensation under my toes on long runs
> (12+). I should not that I have always had this pain, whether running
> in Nike's, Saucony, etc., always seems to come on in the 10-14 miles
> range.
>
> I visited a podiatrist thinking I had nueromas - didn't. He gave me
> some metatarsal pads - I tried these, but they were so uncomfortable I
> could never get used to them - I prefered the burning sensation to it.
>
> I am hoping to find some shoes with better forefront cushioning to help
> delay the on-set of this pain.
>
> Any suggestions?
My personal thoughts on this with seeing your feet is the same as the
podiatrist. The burning sensations can be caused by numerous things
including improperly fitted footwear (longitudinal arch lenght of foot
should match with the shoe, proper width etc.)
On the metatarsal pad issue, I have seen many diffrent responses to
varying sizes of pads. If you think you can just put them in and keep
on with your regular routine, think again. As with the running, you
also have to allow time for your foot to adjust to the pads. However,
if they are placed incorrectly (which I have seen abundantly) they can
create more problems than they solve. They come in many sizes and
varying shapes given the different foot problems, and when added
correctly work wonders in correcting problems such as this, and other
through correcting the biomechanincal difficiencies of the foot.
As well I also agree with Lance about the hosiery. Proper socks can
make a world of difference. An acrylic sock such as Thorlo would be my
first choice. Microscopically the fibres are not as abrasive as cotton
or other blends and provide superior cushioning and moisture wicking
ability.
I'd also suggest perhaps seeking the help of a Board Certified
Pedorthist as they could be instrumental in giving you further advice
on footwear best suited for your gait.
I could talk for hours about this stuff, but hopefully this blurb helps
you out. I'd be happy to answer any further questions you may have as
well.
Sincerely
Sammy
Certified Kinesiologist
B. Sc Kin
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 12:02:18
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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"sammy" <sammy24_98@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:mn.bce17d63d7db4c5b.49426@hotmail.com...
Great thorough synopsis. I also thorlo but there are a few good good
socks like Wigwam and my recent favorite Smartwool.
-DF
> My personal thoughts on this with seeing your feet is the same as the
> podiatrist. The burning sensations can be caused by numerous things
> including improperly fitted footwear (longitudinal arch lenght of foot
> should match with the shoe, proper width etc.)
>
> On the metatarsal pad issue, I have seen many diffrent responses to
> varying sizes of pads. If you think you can just put them in and keep
> on with your regular routine, think again. As with the running, you
> also have to allow time for your foot to adjust to the pads. However,
> if they are placed incorrectly (which I have seen abundantly) they can
> create more problems than they solve. They come in many sizes and
> varying shapes given the different foot problems, and when added
> correctly work wonders in correcting problems such as this, and other
> through correcting the biomechanincal difficiencies of the foot.
>
> As well I also agree with Lance about the hosiery. Proper socks can
> make a world of difference. An acrylic sock such as Thorlo would be
> my first choice. Microscopically the fibres are not as abrasive as
> cotton or other blends and provide superior cushioning and moisture
> wicking ability.
>
> I'd also suggest perhaps seeking the help of a Board Certified
> Pedorthist as they could be instrumental in giving you further advice
> on footwear best suited for your gait.
>
> I could talk for hours about this stuff, but hopefully this blurb
> helps you out. I'd be happy to answer any further questions you may
> have as well.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Sammy
> Certified Kinesiologist
> B. Sc Kin
>
>
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 08:05:03
From:
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:02:18 GMT, "Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com >
wrote:
> I also thorlo but there are a few good good
>socks like Wigwam and my recent favorite Smartwool.
You shoot your goo in them?
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Date: 23 Mar 2006 20:42:58
From:
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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On 23 Mar 2006 14:26:58 -0800, "John Banks" <banks560@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>I should not that I have always had this pain,
>any suggestions?
Learn to spell moron.
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Date: 23 Mar 2006 21:39:02
From:
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:42:58 -0500, McPervert@pervs.net wrote:
>>I should not that I have always had this pain,
>>any suggestions?
Hey, are you the guy in the other thread who said eeveryone was
running wrong
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Date: 23 Mar 2006 16:41:47
From:
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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when you say burning sensation, i am thinking heat generated friction,
socks, wonder if you run in coolmax socks or the like.
perhaps you simply need a shoe with a more roomy toe box. keep in mind
toes/feet swell with distance/heat, etc.
I don't wear socks (unless it's below 20 degrees). I use baby oil &
powder to combate heat generated friction. perhaps all this time you
should be sizing up a 1/2 as well.
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 03:59:38
From: John Banks
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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I don't believe socks, sizing, etc., are the cause of the problem - I
wear coolmax and/or other synthetic fibers, use shoes 0.5-1 full size
bigger (have been fitted at specialty running stores).
Perhaps the metatarsal pads were placed incorrectly or the fact that I
tried to do "too much, too fast." Not sure, but maybe worth another
try.
I was told by both the running shop and the podiatrist that I am a
forefoot striker; so, I was hoping to get shoes that offered the max
cushioning in that area. Am I in the right shoes now - Asics Nimbus?
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 09:14:21
From: sammy
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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John Banks used his keyboard to write :
> I don't believe socks, sizing, etc., are the cause of the problem - I
> wear coolmax and/or other synthetic fibers, use shoes 0.5-1 full size
> bigger (have been fitted at specialty running stores).
>
> Perhaps the metatarsal pads were placed incorrectly or the fact that I
> tried to do "too much, too fast." Not sure, but maybe worth another
> try.
>
> I was told by both the running shop and the podiatrist that I am a
> forefoot striker; so, I was hoping to get shoes that offered the max
> cushioning in that area. Am I in the right shoes now - Asics Nimbus?
Keep in mind that extra cushioning is not always the correct answer. I
would suggest perhaps replacing your current insoles in your shoes with
something that has extra cushioning in it before buying new shoes. You
may have to experiment a bit before you find what is right.
the fact that you are a supposed forefoot striker (keep in mind people
with metatarsal problems are often show signs of increased wear on the
forefoot of the shoe and may not be a true forefoot striker) leads me
to believe that the pads may be placed incorrectly. It's hard to give
advice without seeing the problem, but I would perhaps trying placing
them a slightly different spot. IF you take the insole out of your
shoe you will see where you strike the hardest. Place the met pad just
behind that area. Honestly though, if it didn't feel right the first
time I would have went back to the Podiatrist. They should be able to
make the adjustment for you. Client satisfaction should be on their
list priorities (besides taking your money)!
Hope some of my 2 cents helps
Sammy
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 10:18:39
From:
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:14:21 -0500, sammy <sammy24_98@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>Keep in mind that extra cushioning is not always the correct answer. I
>would suggest perhaps replacing your current insoles in your shoes with
>something that has extra cushioning in it before buying new shoes.
This guy is a fucking moron. Buy the new shoes. Cheaping out is not
worth the pain.
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 03:53:50
From: John Banks
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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>>other thread who said eeveryone<<
Nope, first post in this group. Looks like you should take your own
advice and, "learn to spell, asshole."
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 12:48:34
From: John Banks
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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Luckily, most of the time I am in some of my retired running shoes
(usually about 300 miles old), only wear dress shoes to meetings,
company functions, etc. 80% of the time I am in running shoes.
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 11:02:12
From:
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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sammy wrote:
> Keep in mind that extra cushioning is not always the correct answer.
OP, this "sammy" seems to have some credentials and experience to know
what he's talking about. I don't, I just read a lot and have made and
learned from far more than my share of mistakes. That said, I agree
that "more cushioning" is often an obvious yet wrong solution to the
problem.
Here's another suggestion to add to what you've aready got (I think
Daniel's ideas are interesting too, FWIW) - if you think your
discomfort comes from the impact and that more cushioning would help,
then try running some or all of the distance (12 miles?) on a softer
surface like grass or a dirt/gravel/sand trail or even a rubberized
track or treadmill. This will effectively reduce the impact and you'll
see whether it helps.
I'd suggest running much of your weekly mileage on a softer surface
than pavement anyhow, if practical. And if you already are running on
a soft surface, with the ultra-cushy Nimbus, then it's hard for me to
imagine you could conceivably require even more cushion.
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 15:37:08
From:
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On 24 Mar 2006 11:02:12 -0800, Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com wrote:
> this "sammy" seems to have some credentials and experience to know
>what he's talking about. I don't,
Hopefully nobody read any further than that.
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 10:15:09
From: Daniel
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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On 23 Mar 2006 14:26:58 -0800, "John Banks" <banks560@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>I have used Asics for years; either Nimbus or Kayano - both are fine,
>but I always seem to get a burning sensation under my toes on long runs
>(12+). I should not that I have always had this pain, whether running
>in Nike's, Saucony, etc., always seems to come on in the 10-14 miles
>range.
>
>I visited a podiatrist thinking I had nueromas - didn't. He gave me
>some metatarsal pads - I tried these, but they were so uncomfortable I
>could never get used to them - I prefered the burning sensation to it.
>
>I am hoping to find some shoes with better forefront cushioning to help
>delay the on-set of this pain.
>
>Any suggestions?
Asics gel Landreths. Hard to find where I am. It's more of an "old
style" shoe with their "speva" foam construction and minimal
engineering. Work for me (48 year old slow guy doing around 25 miles
per week) especially on pavement.
*But* -- this may sound strange -- have you played around with
different types of lacing? I used to lace too tight toward the toes
(squishing left-to-right across the wide part of forefoot) and started
getting numbness/tingling under the middle toes.
What "street shoes" do you wear the rest of the day? Maybe they are
aggravating a problem that you only feel on the long runs. How old
are you? I spent 20+ years of working life in steel toe boots and it
took a lot of adaptation when I first started running a few years ago.
I think my feet changed size and shape once I gave them more room and
flexibility in my street shoes.
Good luck!
--
Daniel
deltaechomike@usa.net
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 23:56:13
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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The Nimbae.
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 07:24:18
From:
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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On 24 Mar 2006 23:56:13 -0800, "Twittering One"
<twitteringfolly@aol.com > wrote:
>The Nimbae.
I ran yesterday, but no bang-bang. Where were you guys? I need it,
bad, or I mean I need it good, but badly. I hope 30 or 40 of you can
get together and gangbang me. Email me for my schedule. Be sure to
tell me ahead, because my pussy stinks, and I want to wash it out
first, and lube my butt.
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 09:33:24
From: Sir Lancelot
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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>I ran yesterday, but no bang-bang. Where
>were you guys? I need it, bad, or I mean I
>need it good, but badly. I hope 30 or 40 of
>you can get together and gangbang me.
>Email me for my schedule. Be sure to tell
>me ahead, because my pussy stinks, and
>I want to wash it out first, and lube my
>butt.
I'm going to be very blunt. Having your pussy pounded by 30 or 40 hot,
sweaty, horny runners in heat is nothing more than feat accomplishment.
It bears as much resemblance to real sex as trailrunning does to road
racing. And that burn you'll feel afterwards won't be lactic burn.
(Errr......just a rhetorical question...... if a prospective participant
had a BMI of 29 would that be a problem?)
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 13:40:25
From:
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:33:24 -0500, CourtJouster@webtv.net (Sir
Lancelot) wrote:
>I'm going to be very blunt. Having your pussy pounded by 30 or 40 hot,
>sweaty, horny runners in heat is nothing more than feat accomplishment.
Even by a "Mandingo man" like you Lance? I understand your concern,
but I figure a few real men will come by and see the line, and join
in. But all I've had in the last few years has been lesbian sex, and I
need some REAL sex now to heal my twittering mind.
>It bears as much resemblance to real sex as trailrunning does to road
>racing. And that burn you'll feel afterwards won't be lactic burn.
>
That's ok, I already have syphillis, my syphilitic ramblings prove
that.
>(Errr......just a rhetorical question...... if a prospective participant
>had a BMI of 29 would that be a problem?)
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 16:02:04
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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FUCK YOU BITCH.
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 20:40:51
From:
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On 25 Mar 2006 16:02:04 -0800, "Twittering One"
<twitteringfolly@aol.com > wrote:
>FUCK YOU BITCH.
Please. I need it bad, several dozen times, hard, fast, beat me before
you eat me.
Twit
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 15:59:37
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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Identity theft? Hijacking? There is only one ~Twitty.~
~ AB
That post was not from me.
But this is ~
Dr. Cynthia Pfeffer, MD:
I DO need medicine, oothpaste, shampoo, et al,
and vitamins. Do you know what taking stims
for ADD and taking no vitaimins does?
It's like NO stuff to make neurotransmitters,
because that canned food is nutrition-void
[sinced the the people who know me, including
dors, REFUSE to even speak to me now,
much less, pay for dor visit].
And that is JEOPARDIZING my health,
which unnecessary, for whatever reason.
If you are not responsible, please tell
whoever is.
Being sick at 50 y/o is no joke,
even if you can pen a few poems on usenet.
VIrginia Hooper
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 20:39:46
From:
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On 25 Mar 2006 15:59:37 -0800, "Twittering One"
<twitteringfolly@aol.com > wrote:
>That post was not from me.
Yes it was you fucking slut.
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 15:38:53
From: ActionBill@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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Twittering One wrote:
> Someone pounced upon my computer
> While I justly slept.
>
> My consent,
> Unsigned.
> ~ Twittering
Identity theft? Hijacking? There is only one ~Twitty.~
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 20:39:25
From:
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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On 25 Mar 2006 15:38:53 -0800, "ActionBill@gmail.com"
<ActionBill@gmail.com > wrote:
>Identity theft? Hijacking?
She needs dick.
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Date: 25 Mar 2006 15:28:25
From: Twittering One
Subject: Re: Best Forefoot Cushioning
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Someone pounced upon my computer
While I justly slept.
My consent,
Unsigned.
~ Twittering
twitteringfolly@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:33:24 -0500, CourtJouster@webtv.net (Sir
> Lancelot) wrote:
>
> >I'm going to be very blunt. Having your pussy pounded by 30 or 40 hot,
> >sweaty, horny runners in heat is nothing more than feat accomplishment.
>
> Even by a "Mandingo man" like you Lance? I understand your concern,
> but I figure a few real men will come by and see the line, and join
> in. But all I've had in the last few years has been lesbian sex, and I
> need some REAL sex now to heal my twittering mind.
>
> >It bears as much resemblance to real sex as trailrunning does to road
> >racing. And that burn you'll feel afterwards won't be lactic burn.
> >
>
> That's ok, I already have syphillis, my syphilitic ramblings prove
> that.
>
>
> >(Errr......just a rhetorical question...... if a prospective participant
> >had a BMI of 29 would that be a problem?)
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Date: 31 Mar 2006 22:02:59
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Like Lance, I haven't worn socks with my running shoes. Did over 60
marathons without socks.
If show and foot are moving at the same pace there is no friction.
I would hazard a guess that as you get tired, your head starts to lean
forward.
Stand up and lean forward, you'll feel your toes dig into the
ground...or your shoe.
As you run, imagine that you have no toes. Keep the top of the head up
when walking, running standing or sitting. When you are standing you
should always be able to wiggle your toes.
Good luck
Ozzie Gontang
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