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Date: 31 Aug 2006 13:50:51
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Subject: Benefits of pushing yourself to the limit
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I can comfortably run at 160 bpm, but 175 bpm takes a toll on me. Today
I pushed myself to the limit and ran at 170-175 bpm for 30 minutes.
Surprisingly, I survived it and I perceived it as an accomplishment.
My question is: Is it that much more effective to run at 175 bpm than
160 bpm, for the same period of time?
After all, 175 is only about 10% more than 160 bpm, but feels twice as
hard, at least for me.
Thanks!
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 15:57:01
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Subject: Re: Benefits of pushing yourself to the limit
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If you can run at 175 with no injuries and no problems with recovery go
for it. Myself, I would be injured and if not injured it would increase
my required recovery time. Most people only push themselves in races or
maybe one race a week. The key to progress is many miles at a moderate
pace. Unless you take performance enhancing drugs, most people cannot
train that hard every day. For most people, it is a lot more fun and a
lot easier to run at 175 bpm because the adrenaline makes you high and
you dont feel pain. It takes courage and discipline to run slow. It is
boring as hell.
byteschreck@googlemail.com wrote:
> I can comfortably run at 160 bpm, but 175 bpm takes a toll on me. Today
> I pushed myself to the limit and ran at 170-175 bpm for 30 minutes.
> Surprisingly, I survived it and I perceived it as an accomplishment.
>
> My question is: Is it that much more effective to run at 175 bpm than
> 160 bpm, for the same period of time?
>
> After all, 175 is only about 10% more than 160 bpm, but feels twice as
> hard, at least for me.
>
> Thanks!
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 09:48:22
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Benefits of pushing yourself to the limit
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> It takes courage and discipline to run slow. It is
> boring as hell.
thats one of the hardest things to learn, running slow. Its especailly
hard for beginners that don't understand pace, recovery and so on. I
have been running since I was young and still have a hard time with the
slow running aspects of training. Sometimes I make the mistake of
starting out slow and finishing way to fast. I think thats why I have
had an injury plagued Summer.
John
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:33:42
From: bj
Subject: Re: Benefits of pushing yourself to the limit
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"runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157129301.968652.7360@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
>> It takes courage and discipline to run slow. It is
>> boring as hell.
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> thats one of the hardest things to learn, running slow.
>
For some of us, it comes quite naturally.
Running *fast*, though, is a problem.
bj
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 14:19:29
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: Benefits of pushing yourself to the limit
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In article <1157129301.968652.7360@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com > wrote:
> seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:
> > It takes courage and discipline to run slow. It is boring as hell.
>
> thats one of the hardest things to learn, running slow. Its
> especailly hard for beginners that don't understand pace, recovery
> and so on. I have been running since I was young and still have a
> hard time with the slow running aspects of training. Sometimes I make
> the mistake of starting out slow and finishing way to fast. I think
> thats why I have had an injury plagued Summer.
>
> John
I've been trying to maintain a 12 min/mile during the run splits, but I
usually wind up starting out too fast; about 11 to 11:30 (but at least
I've managed to slow that down from the 10 to 10:30 that I had been
doing).
I suspect that if I could keep it down to 12 when I'm starting out, I'd
probably be improving my overall times. That last split this morning
ended at something like a 17 min/mile.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 02:29:15
From: anders
Subject: Re: Benefits of pushing yourself to the limit
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byteschreck@googlemail.com wrote:
> I can comfortably run at 160 bpm, but 175 bpm takes a toll on me. Today
> I pushed myself to the limit and ran at 170-175 bpm for 30 minutes.
> Surprisingly, I survived it and I perceived it as an accomplishment.
What is comfortable is of course a bit relative, and there's no direct
match between intensity zones and percentages of maximum heart rate
that would apply to all runners, but generally one can run
"comfortably" up to 75-80%. If we assume that your individual
variation fits within what the thumb rule says, you were then running
at 83-87% when your HR had climbed to 175.
IMHO you have every right to see it as an achievement (and I'd rather
start with 3x10 minutes, if I hadn't run within that zone for some
time), bu any runners would regard it as a rather suitable zone and
time for a tempo run, which they would run once a week.
Should you want to persist in training, you would in time be able to
run a marathon at that HR or to run 30 minutes at 90-95% as an
(intense) training run.
> My question is: Is it that much more effective to run at 175 bpm than
> 160 bpm, for the same period of time?
Of course it is more effective - when done in moderation and when
supported with maybe 2-3 longer "comfortable runs". Similarly, running
at 90-95% would be more effective than running at 83-87% - but you
wouldn't run more than 15-16 minutes of net intervals in one session
per week at beginner level.
There really aren't any short cuts: quality is important, but in the
long run nothing without sufficient quantity - and there's no way to
build quantity other than running "comfortably", even slowly. If you
are running only three times a week, you *could* reach some fast gains
by doing all three runs "more effectively", but I dare say you wouldn't
make any sustainable progress.
> After all, 175 is only about 10% more than 160 bpm, but feels twice as
> hard, at least for me.
Maybe a similar percentage climb doesn't feel quite twice as hard for
me, but it's certainly more than 10% harder:-)
OTOH running at 10% lower would feel more than 10% easier...
Anders
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 13:23:38
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Benefits of pushing yourself to the limit
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There are benefits to pushing yourself to the limit that you might never
have considered.
Like paying my children's way through college.
Sincerely,
Anne Thrope
Thrope Funeral Chapels Inc.
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