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Date: 30 Mar 2006 15:18:42
From: Jack
Subject: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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1) Pain Worse in Morning.
NO. Pain levels constant throughout day.
2) Overweight.
NO. Bodyfat in single digits.
3) Sudden increase in activities.
NO. Activity levels constant for past 9 years.
4) Bad shoes.
NO. Same size, brand, and model for many years.
5) Overpronation.
NO. If anything, just the opposite.
6) Flat-feet
NO. Water test shows normal foot pattern.
7) Typical PF pain distribution.
YES. Origin where fascia attach to inner aspect of calcaneus. This
was the only positive finding of typical PF.
Go figure, eh.
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 09:28:54
From: Denise Howard
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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In article <442bf6ce.15862578@news-60.giganews.com >, Jack
<windswept@home.net > wrote:
> 4) Bad shoes.
> NO. Same size, brand, and model for many years.
Okay, but how _old_ are your shoes? If you're working out several
times a week, you should be replacing the shoes at least every six
months. The supportive and cushioning nature of the _inside_ of an
athletic shoe wears out long before the exterior looks rough.
Whenever my feet or shins start to complain, I know it's high time for
shoe replacement. The symptoms always go away as soon as I switch to
new shoes.
--
Denise denise dot howard at comcast dot net
ACE and AFAA certified fitness instructor
AFAA step and kickboxing certified
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 12:38:21
From:
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:28:54 -0800, Denise Howard
<denise@invalid.domain > wrote:
>--
>Denise denise dot howard at comcast dot net
>ACE and AFAA certified fitness instructor
>AFAA step and kickboxing certified
I "did" her...
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 17:46:33
From: Karl Hungus
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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"Denise Howard" <denise@invalid.domain > wrote in message
news:300320060928544984%denise@invalid.domain...
> In article <442bf6ce.15862578@news-60.giganews.com>, Jack
> <windswept@home.net> wrote:
>
>> 4) Bad shoes.
>> NO. Same size, brand, and model for many years.
>
> Okay, but how _old_ are your shoes? If you're working out several
> times a week, you should be replacing the shoes at least every six
> months. The supportive and cushioning nature of the _inside_ of an
> athletic shoe wears out long before the exterior looks rough.
>
> Whenever my feet or shins start to complain, I know it's high time for
> shoe replacement. The symptoms always go away as soon as I switch to
> new shoes.
Is there any way to tell your shoes need to be replaced *before* you start
experiencing the pain, or should I just go with the six-month thing as a
good rule of thumb? I've been running with my current shoes for about seven
or eight months now, and they're still going strong.
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 18:45:37
From: Denise Howard
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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In article <EOudnd64CsxFwrHZRVn-jA@comcast.com >, Karl Hungus
<karlhungus@comcast.net > wrote:
> Is there any way to tell your shoes need to be replaced *before* you start
> experiencing the pain, or should I just go with the six-month thing as a
> good rule of thumb? I've been running with my current shoes for about seven
> or eight months now, and they're still going strong.
Well your shoes aren't going to go kaput all at once. If you buy good
shoes, they're perfect the first time you wear them and it's all
downhill from there, but it's a gradual process. You will notice a
change in how your feet/shins/whatever feel when it's about time to
change shoes; if you experience pain, then you have let it go and
ignored the progressive sensations for a long while.
Or you can use the rule of thumb.
--
Denise denise dot howard at comcast dot net
ACE and AFAA certified fitness instructor
AFAA step and kickboxing certified
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 22:52:32
From:
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:45:37 -0800, Denise Howard
<denise@invalid.domain > wrote:
>Or you can use the rule of thumb.
In your butt?
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Date: 02 Apr 2006 13:56:53
From: Vang48
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 11:23:27
From:
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:18:42 GMT, windswept@home.net (Jack) wrote:
>Go figure, eh.
URA cunt.
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 16:22:22
From: Puddin' Man
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:18:42 GMT, windswept@home.net (Jack) wrote:
>1) Pain Worse in Morning.
>NO. Pain levels constant throughout day.
>
>2) Overweight.
>NO. Bodyfat in single digits.
>
>3) Sudden increase in activities.
>NO. Activity levels constant for past 9 years.
>
>4) Bad shoes.
>NO. Same size, brand, and model for many years.
>
>5) Overpronation.
>NO. If anything, just the opposite.
>
>6) Flat-feet
>NO. Water test shows normal foot pattern.
>
>7) Typical PF pain distribution.
>YES. Origin where fascia attach to inner aspect of calcaneus. This
>was the only positive finding of typical PF.
>
>Go figure, eh.
And the stretching exercises help not?
But the pain is mitigated when you cease running/jogging?
Did you try "Life Without Running" for 4 weeks or more??
You are 62? No offence, but there's probably a handful of
folks here on alt.support.chronic-pain that'd be happy as
larks if they could -walk- normally for 5 or 10 minutes ...
Cheers,
Puddin'
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 18:51:56
From: Godzilla
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:22:22 GMT, Puddin' Man <pudding.man@gmail.com >
wrote:
> No offence, but there's probably a handful of
>folks here on alt.support.chronic-pain that'd be happy as
>larks if they could -walk- normally for 5 or 10 minutes ...
So if you can walk normally for more than 10 minutes, you're not
allowed to post messages to alt.support.chronic-pain?
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Date: 30 Mar 2006 17:49:22
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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Atypical case........typical whining.
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Date: 01 Apr 2006 17:53:16
From: Beach Runner
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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Atypical case doesn't change the fact that the fascia and ligaments are
too tight.
To really know and not guess, find a great podiatrist that has an ultra
sound machine that lets him/examine soft tissues, and they will see what
really is the story. Otherwise it's 90% voodoo.
I've had it come and go over the years. I remember my internist had a
bone scan, and sure enough I had a stress fracture on my heel from the
tension. Now I see a great podiatrist that really examines me internally.
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Date: 01 Apr 2006 14:50:05
From:
Subject: Re: Atypical Plantar Fasciitis?
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PSYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYCHO!
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:53:16 GMT, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com > wrote:
>
>Atypical case doesn't change the fact that the fascia and ligaments are
>too tight.
>
>To really know and not guess, find a great podiatrist that has an ultra
>sound machine that lets him/examine soft tissues, and they will see what
>really is the story. Otherwise it's 90% voodoo.
>
>I've had it come and go over the years. I remember my internist had a
>bone scan, and sure enough I had a stress fracture on my heel from the
>tension. Now I see a great podiatrist that really examines me internally.
>
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Date: 31 Mar 2006 21:28:20
From:
Subject: Folklore: Understand/Prevent Plantar Fascia Injury
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Found this old article of mine when I googled "gontang" and "plantar
fascia"
Ozzie
Some Folklore on Understanding and Preventing Injury to the
Plantar Fascia
c.2000 Austin "Ozzie" Gontang, Ph.D.
Dedicated to Doug, Mike, Denny, Robert and You Friends who
continue to question the answers of answered questions and
unquestioned beliefs.
1. The Stirrup Muscles (Peroneus and the Posterior Tibialis)
Are There to Protect the Plantar Fascia
When the peroneus longus and medius on the outside of the
lower leg and the posterior tibialis along the inside of the
lower leg, behind the shin bone become weakened or
chronically tight, these muscles, often called the stirrup
muscles since they invert and evert the foot, don't act as
they should. This problem with these muscles can allow the
plantar fascia-which is suppose to hold the arch of the foot
in place-to take the pressure because the stirrup muscles
aren't working.
This is one reason some coaches have runners balance on one
foot on a two by four or perpendicular to a step and bending
the knee a inch or two. This is the reason you see all the
balance boards and balance tubes being advertised.
Some coaches won't have their students even think of doing
speed training until they can balance on one foot with no
vibrations or trembling of the ankle.
Other coaches have the individual lift off the heels about
an inch and balance on the ball of the big toe and the
next two toes. They then while keeping the body erect bend
the knees and lower themselves as far as comfortably able
and then back up. They do several repetitions. Gradually
they are able to balance as they go all the way down and
then back up.
The plantar fascia is taking the slack when the stirrup
muscles are not working correctly and properly.
The above is folklore. If it works for you, use it. If it
doesn't work, then give it neither energy or added thought
just find someone who makes sense and whose folklore works
for you....and use it. Or create your own and share it on
rec.running to see it stands the test of being questioned.
2. Some Folklore to Relieve the Pain in the Arch
Next, I would get a piece of water hose about 2 feet long.
While standing with your feet straight ahead i.e.
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