Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

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Date: 12 Nov 2006 23:53:58
From:
Subject: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree that
pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have his hip
replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance had any
problems?

Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just break
bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off horse and was
paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact fall would be
paralized or if he was weak.

Date: 13 Nov 2006 09:56:07
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

Date: 13 Nov 2006 04:37:00
From: Ed Prochak
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree that
> pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have his hip
> replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance had any
> problems?

He had testicular cancer. Maybe to be safe you should remove yours.
(sorry maybe you already have?)
>
> Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just break
> bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off horse and was
> paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact fall would be
> paralized or if he was weak.

Or maybe he was strong, since he actually lived while others have died
from such falls.

So, on the basis of ONE example in each of these activities you draw
the false conclusion the activity "obviously" is not good. (You also
assume your readers will agree. Bad assumption.)

Stop trolling. If you have a question, ask it. The logic you present
above isn't worthy of a third grader.

Ed

Date: 13 Nov 2006 01:25:30
From: ange
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree that
> pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have his hip
> replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance had any
> problems?
>
> Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just break
> bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off horse and was
> paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact fall would be
> paralized or if he was weak.

My mum has just had her hip replaced and this was caused from a fall
down the stairs at a train station that threw her body out of whack
leaving her hip grinding unnecesssarily against itself. Nothing to do
with running.
My brother in law has also had problems with his knees and has had to
have a lot of operations but has never run a race in his life. I just
sometimes think that everyones body is different and different things
brak down for no particular reason.

Just on a side note: My grandfather gave up smoking after his first
heart attack. Since then he has had 5 heart attacks (and the associated
operations), 3 strokes and 2 bouts of cancer. Who says that anything
makes sense in the greater scheme of things.

Date: 13 Nov 2006 11:24:45
From:
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree that
> pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have his hip
> replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance had any
> problems?
>
> Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just break
> bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off horse and was
> paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact fall would be
> paralized or if he was weak.

Check out some of these.

1: Flecher X, Argenson JN, Aubaniac JM.
[Hip and knee replacement and sport]
Ann Readapt Med Phys. 2004 Aug;47(6):382-8. Review. French.
PMID: 15297129 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

2: Kuster MS, Spalinger E, Blanksby BA, Gachter A.
Endurance sports after total knee replacement: a biomechanical
investigation.
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Apr;32(4):721-4.
PMID: 10776888 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: van den Bogert AJ, Read L, Nigg BM.
An analysis of hip joint loading during walking, running, and skiing.
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1999 Jan;31(1):131-42.
PMID: 9927021 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: McGrory BJ, Stuart MJ, Sim FH.
Participation in sports after hip and knee arthroplasty: review of
literature
and survey of surgeon preferences.
Mayo Clin Proc. 1995 Apr;70(4):342-8. Review.
PMID: 7898139 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Date: 13 Nov 2006 14:39:03
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

In article <1163445885.363358.180850@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
ishky@earthlink.net wrote:

> > Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree
> > that pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have
> > his hip replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance
> > had any problems?
> >
> > Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just
> > break bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off
> > horse and was paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact
> > fall would be paralized or if he was weak.
>
> Check out some of these.

I'd like to see troll boy try to show that running does cause knee and
hip problems.

Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:42:08
From: Ed Prochak
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

One: Please don't top post.

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Runners of All Types Prone to Injuries
> PM&R Physicians Identify Most Common Injuries
> By most estimates, nearly 70 percent of runners will become injured.

No research sited for these statistics.

> While many of their injuries will appear minor, they can become more
> serious over time if not properly treated. Physical medicine and
> rehabilitation (PM&R) physicians across the country see injured runners
> every day and are well suited to deal with their injuries.
>

They then employ FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) by implying minor
injuries need treatment.

Two: this "article" is a web site advertising their services. There is
a build in bias, just as there is in you trolling.
>
>
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Three: you posted in entirety, someone else's copyrighted material. You
didn't bother to include the web address to the site. Without
searching, we could assume you just made this all up. (though not
likely. That page actually tries to make some sense. That's not your
style.)

okay, three strikes. you're out. back to the bench.
ed

Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:34:58
From: Patrick
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

On 2006-11-14, Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com > wrote:
> nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Runners of All Types Prone to Injuries
>> PM&R Physicians Identify Most Common Injuries
>> By most estimates, nearly 70 percent of runners will become injured.
>
> No research sited for these statistics.

Not to back up the troll, but a number of research papers, with
different definitions of "injury", report that over the span of a year
30-60% of runners are injured. It's no secret that minor injuries are
not uncommon. Of course, citing injury rates while claiming that
running leads to long term hip damage requiring hip replacement is
misleading to say the least.

More on the topic, I haven't seen anything suggesting that running
causes knee or hip problems. Previous injury does seem to correlate
with a repeat injury however, so one might be cautious if one has been
injured before.

And doctors that treat injuries see a biased sample of runners. It's
easy to see how this might lead to mistaken beliefs.

--
Patrick <pat@polycrystal.org >

Date: 14 Nov 2006 07:40:25
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Sorry, but I am retarded

admiting it is the first step!

Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:19:24
From:
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

Runners of All Types Prone to Injuries
PM&R Physicians Identify Most Common Injuries
By most estimates, nearly 70 percent of runners will become injured.
While many of their injuries will appear minor, they can become more
serious over time if not properly treated. Physical medicine and
rehabilitation (PM&R) physicians across the country see injured runners
every day and are well suited to deal with their injuries.

Running injuries may impact other areas of the body as well. Because
PM&R physicians are trained to treat the body as a whole, as opposed to
treating just the injury, they work to identify the true source of the
problem and develop a training or rehabilitation program to solve it.

Among the most common running-elated injuries seen by PM&R physicians
are:

Runner's Knee - This is the most common running-related injury.
Known as patello-femoral pain, and sometimes diagnosed as
chondromalacia of the patella, runner's knee is essentially
irritation of the cartilage of the kneecap. The condition results in
pitting or fissuring of the cartilage to varying degrees. While
running, various mechanical conditions may predispose runners to a
poorly tracking kneecap. This can result in irritation and/or damage to
the kneecap. Runners will notice pain near the kneecap, especially
after sitting for extended periods of time with knees bent or while
walking down stairs or downhill. Appropriate treatment involves
eliminating or modifying activities that cause the pain; correcting
improper biomechanics that allow the injury to arise; and avoiding
positions that further irritate the condition, such as sitting for
prolonged periods of time.

Iliotibial Band Syndrome - Symptoms of this syndrome include pain or
aching on the outside of the knee, usually occurring in the middle or
at the end of a run. When you flex and extend your knee, the iliotibial
band, which runs along the outside of the thigh, can become irritated
from repetitive rubbing over the outside of the knee. There are several
causes of this syndrome, including weak gluteal muscles, bowed legs,
over-pronation of the foot, leg length discrepancy, and running on
uneven surfaces. Running on a circular track may also contribute to the
problem. As with other running injuries, athletes should decrease their
training regimen. In addition, they should also add stretches for the
ouside of their thigh to their warm-up program, avoid running on uneven
or circular track surfaces, and some should wear motion control running
shoes.

Shin Splints - Also called medial tibial stress syndrome, "shin
splints" refers to pain occurring in either the front or inside
portions of the lower leg. Tenderness extends along the length of the
lower leg at either of the surfaces. Those most at risk for shin
splints are beginning runners who are not yet used to the stresses of
running or who have not stretched or strengthened properly. To care for
shin splints, runners should decrease their training, and begin with
ice and rest, later adding strengthening of their lower leg muscles.
They may use swimming and biking as alternative forms of exercise. If
symptoms persist, runners should consult their physicians.

Achilles Tendinitis - The Achilles tendon is the connection between
the heel and the muscles of the lower leg. Several factors contribute
to the development of Achilles tendinitis, including excessive hill
running, sudden increases in training, and improper shoes. One of the
major factors is excessive tightness of the posterior muscles of the
leg, including the calf muscles and the hamstrings. Runners with this
condition should reduce their running. They can use ice and gentle
stretching to reduce pain and tightness. If not treated properly,
Achilles tendinitis can develop into a chronic problem.

Heel Pain (Heel Spurs and Plantar Fasciitis) - The most common heel
problems are caused by strain of the plantar fascia, which extends from
the heel to the toes. Strain in this tissue can become very painful,
especially with the first steps of the day. The condition can cause
swelling at the origin of the plantar fascia at the heel. The pain is
most noticeable when the foot flattens during weightbearing or when
pushing off with the toes during walking or running, and it is usually
located near the heel. The problems tend to occur in flat, flexible
feet and in high arched, stiff feet. Left untreated, the pain can
spread around the heel. Treatment should include a decrease in the
intensity and duration of running workouts. Runners should also
evaluate their running shoes for excessive wear and for proper fit. The
wrong shoe for a foot type can worsen biomechanical flaws and cause
plantar fasciitis.

Runners can take several precautions to prevent being sidelined because
of an injury. While some of these steps might seem time-consuming or
expensive, they are a good way to keep you on the right track.

Prepare for exercise/activities - Understand what muscle groups will
be used and slowly start conditioning them by strengthening them. Talk
with a PM&R physician to determine the appropriate type of exercises.

Properly stretch muscles before running - Muscles and joints need to
warm up before beginning a run. Also be sure to allow for a "cooling
down" period afterward.

Use an appropriate running shoe - There are several brands and models
of running shoes. Make sure you are using the type best suited for your
feet and your running style. Running shoes should also be replaced
regularly. Consult a specialty running store to choose an appropriate
shoe.

Incorporate hard days and easy days into your training program -
Mileage should only be increased approximately 10 percent each week.
Runners should make sure to decrease their mileage slightly every third
week as a way to allow for recovery prior to additional mileage
increases. Runners should also be patient with their development, being
careful not to push themselves too far or too fast.

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Beginning runner wrote:
> In article <1163445885.363358.180850@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> ishky@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > > Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree
> > > that pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have
> > > his hip replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance
> > > had any problems?
> > >
> > > Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just
> > > break bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off
> > > horse and was paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact
> > > fall would be paralized or if he was weak.
> >
> > Check out some of these.
>
> I'd like to see troll boy try to show that running does cause knee and
> hip problems.

Date: 14 Nov 2006 11:41:51
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

<nosugarintea@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1163492364.882339.242840@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Runners of All Types Prone to Injuries
PM&R Physicians Identify Most Common Injuries
By most estimates, nearly 70 percent of runners will become injured.
While many of their injuries will appear minor, they can become more
serious over time if not properly treated. Physical medicine and
rehabilitation (PM&R) physicians across the country see injured runners
every day and are well suited to deal with their injuries. >

There is no sport, especially impact sports, that don't have there share
of injuries. Your original premise was running more than N miles would
"cause" permanent damage to one's hips and knees and where you need
some direction. What you posted are the classic runners injuries. Most
injuries are "caused" by runners trying to do too much, too soon, too
fast for there physical condition. No doubt some people have some
built-in problems such as leg length differences, or tilted hips which
take some time ferret out.

Those with biomechanical issues need to blame mom and dad not the
running. The good news even for these more difficult problems, they can
be corrected with physical therapy or orthotics.

The vast majority of the injuries are self inflicted with the 'Too"
syndrome as noted above and very correctable. Once people find their
current physical limits they can slowly push themselves to do more. The
operative word is slowly. Sad to say most runners are type A and take up
running on Monday and want to do a marathon the following Monday.

The most problematic time is the first six months to a year trying to
get muscles to adapt to the physical stresses. When injuries happen you
find a Vet and fix it. It does not CAUSE your knees and hips to turn to
dust unless the individual tries to run through the pain. And yes, we
have some of those people right here that try to run a marathon while
injured. That is a behavioral deformity not physical, ask Lance. ;)

So the bottom line, if you still can't see the forest for the trees, I
would take up pool floating for your exercise and cease your anxieties.
All you have done is show runners are type A, not a set of people that
are off to get knee and hip transplants because they run further than a
1/2 marathon. Want to try another troll?

-DF

Date: 10 Dec 2006 01:51:27
From: Jan Brittenson
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause

Yeah, obviously if you run you're prone to running injuries. If
you bicycle you're prone to bicycling injuries. If you play any
sport you're likely to get injured. So what? An injury is not
a 'problem', it's a natural side effect of all physical activity.
I'm surprised it's as low as 70%, I'd expect everyone who trains
for anything, will get an overuse injury sooner or later. Usually
these go away with a little rest ranging from a few days to a few
weeks and are no big deal. Just because some skiers need ACL
surgery doesn't mean every skier will need this. Similarly, serious
running injuries (what one would consider a 'problem') are
relatively rare.

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Runners of All Types Prone to Injuries
> PM&R Physicians Identify Most Common Injuries
> By most estimates, nearly 70 percent of runners will become injured.
> While many of their injuries will appear minor, they can become more
> serious over time if not properly treated. Physical medicine and
> rehabilitation (PM&R) physicians across the country see injured runners=

> every day and are well suited to deal with their injuries.
>=20
> Running injuries may impact other areas of the body as well. Because
> PM&R physicians are trained to treat the body as a whole, as opposed to=

> treating just the injury, they work to identify the true source of the
> problem and develop a training or rehabilitation program to solve it.
>=20
> Among the most common running-elated injuries seen by PM&R physicians
> are:
>=20
> Runner's Knee - This is the most common running-related injury.
> Known as patello-femoral pain, and sometimes diagnosed as
> chondromalacia of the patella, runner's knee is essentially
> irritation of the cartilage of the kneecap. The condition results in
> pitting or fissuring of the cartilage to varying degrees. While
> running, various mechanical conditions may predispose runners to a
> poorly tracking kneecap. This can result in irritation and/or damage to=

> the kneecap. Runners will notice pain near the kneecap, especially
> after sitting for extended periods of time with knees bent or while
> walking down stairs or downhill. Appropriate treatment involves
> eliminating or modifying activities that cause the pain; correcting
> improper biomechanics that allow the injury to arise; and avoiding
> positions that further irritate the condition, such as sitting for
> prolonged periods of time.
>=20
> Iliotibial Band Syndrome - Symptoms of this syndrome include pain or
> aching on the outside of the knee, usually occurring in the middle or
> at the end of a run. When you flex and extend your knee, the iliotibial=

> band, which runs along the outside of the thigh, can become irritated
> from repetitive rubbing over the outside of the knee. There are several=

> causes of this syndrome, including weak gluteal muscles, bowed legs,
> over-pronation of the foot, leg length discrepancy, and running on
> uneven surfaces. Running on a circular track may also contribute to the=

> problem. As with other running injuries, athletes should decrease their=

> training regimen. In addition, they should also add stretches for the
> ouside of their thigh to their warm-up program, avoid running on uneven=

> or circular track surfaces, and some should wear motion control running=

> shoes.
>=20
> Shin Splints - Also called medial tibial stress syndrome, "shin
> splints" refers to pain occurring in either the front or inside
> portions of the lower leg. Tenderness extends along the length of the
> lower leg at either of the surfaces. Those most at risk for shin
> splints are beginning runners who are not yet used to the stresses of
> running or who have not stretched or strengthened properly. To care for=

> shin splints, runners should decrease their training, and begin with
> ice and rest, later adding strengthening of their lower leg muscles.
> They may use swimming and biking as alternative forms of exercise. If
> symptoms persist, runners should consult their physicians.
>=20
> Achilles Tendinitis - The Achilles tendon is the connection between
> the heel and the muscles of the lower leg. Several factors contribute
> to the development of Achilles tendinitis, including excessive hill
> running, sudden increases in training, and improper shoes. One of the
> major factors is excessive tightness of the posterior muscles of the
> leg, including the calf muscles and the hamstrings. Runners with this
> condition should reduce their running. They can use ice and gentle
> stretching to reduce pain and tightness. If not treated properly,
> Achilles tendinitis can develop into a chronic problem.
>=20
> Heel Pain (Heel Spurs and Plantar Fasciitis) - The most common heel
> problems are caused by strain of the plantar fascia, which extends from=

> the heel to the toes. Strain in this tissue can become very painful,
> especially with the first steps of the day. The condition can cause
> swelling at the origin of the plantar fascia at the heel. The pain is
> most noticeable when the foot flattens during weightbearing or when
> pushing off with the toes during walking or running, and it is usually
> located near the heel. The problems tend to occur in flat, flexible
> feet and in high arched, stiff feet. Left untreated, the pain can
> spread around the heel. Treatment should include a decrease in the
> intensity and duration of running workouts. Runners should also
> evaluate their running shoes for excessive wear and for proper fit. The=

> wrong shoe for a foot type can worsen biomechanical flaws and cause
> plantar fasciitis.
>=20
> Runners can take several precautions to prevent being sidelined because=

> of an injury. While some of these steps might seem time-consuming or
> expensive, they are a good way to keep you on the right track.
>=20
> Prepare for exercise/activities - Understand what muscle groups will
> be used and slowly start conditioning them by strengthening them. Talk
> with a PM&R physician to determine the appropriate type of exercises.
>=20
> Properly stretch muscles before running - Muscles and joints need to
> warm up before beginning a run. Also be sure to allow for a "cooling
> down" period afterward.
>=20
> Use an appropriate running shoe - There are several brands and models
> of running shoes. Make sure you are using the type best suited for your=

> feet and your running style. Running shoes should also be replaced
> regularly. Consult a specialty running store to choose an appropriate
> shoe.
>=20
> Incorporate hard days and easy days into your training program -
> Mileage should only be increased approximately 10 percent each week.
> Runners should make sure to decrease their mileage slightly every third=

> week as a way to allow for recovery prior to additional mileage
> increases. Runners should also be patient with their development, being=

> careful not to push themselves too far or too fast.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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>=20
>=20
> Beginning runner wrote:
>> In article <1163445885.363358.180850@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
>> ishky@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>> Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree
>>>> that pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have
>>>> his hip replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance
>>>> had any problems?
>>>>
>>>> Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just
>>>> break bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off
>>>> horse and was paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact
>>>> fall would be paralized or if he was weak.
>>> Check out some of these.
>> I'd like to see troll boy try to show that running does cause knee and=

>> hip problems.
>=20

Date: 10 Dec 2006 15:07:10
From: Dupont24
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

You are more likely to get arthritis and other health problems by being a
couch potato than being a runner!! :)

"Jan Brittenson" <bson@rockgarden.net > wrote in message
news:pZqdnZ9dPqYCRebYnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Yeah, obviously if you run you're prone to running injuries. If
you bicycle you're prone to bicycling injuries. If you play any
sport you're likely to get injured. So what? An injury is not
a 'problem', it's a natural side effect of all physical activity.
I'm surprised it's as low as 70%, I'd expect everyone who trains
for anything, will get an overuse injury sooner or later. Usually
these go away with a little rest ranging from a few days to a few
weeks and are no big deal. Just because some skiers need ACL
surgery doesn't mean every skier will need this. Similarly, serious
running injuries (what one would consider a 'problem') are
relatively rare.

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Runners of All Types Prone to Injuries
> PM&R Physicians Identify Most Common Injuries
> By most estimates, nearly 70 percent of runners will become injured.
> While many of their injuries will appear minor, they can become more
> serious over time if not properly treated. Physical medicine and
> rehabilitation (PM&R) physicians across the country see injured runners
> every day and are well suited to deal with their injuries.
>
> Running injuries may impact other areas of the body as well. Because
> PM&R physicians are trained to treat the body as a whole, as opposed to
> treating just the injury, they work to identify the true source of the
> problem and develop a training or rehabilitation program to solve it.
>
> Among the most common running-elated injuries seen by PM&R physicians
> are:
>
> Runner's Knee - This is the most common running-related injury.
> Known as patello-femoral pain, and sometimes diagnosed as
> chondromalacia of the patella, runner's knee is essentially
> irritation of the cartilage of the kneecap. The condition results in
> pitting or fissuring of the cartilage to varying degrees. While
> running, various mechanical conditions may predispose runners to a
> poorly tracking kneecap. This can result in irritation and/or damage to
> the kneecap. Runners will notice pain near the kneecap, especially
> after sitting for extended periods of time with knees bent or while
> walking down stairs or downhill. Appropriate treatment involves
> eliminating or modifying activities that cause the pain; correcting
> improper biomechanics that allow the injury to arise; and avoiding
> positions that further irritate the condition, such as sitting for
> prolonged periods of time.
>
> Iliotibial Band Syndrome - Symptoms of this syndrome include pain or
> aching on the outside of the knee, usually occurring in the middle or
> at the end of a run. When you flex and extend your knee, the iliotibial
> band, which runs along the outside of the thigh, can become irritated
> from repetitive rubbing over the outside of the knee. There are several
> causes of this syndrome, including weak gluteal muscles, bowed legs,
> over-pronation of the foot, leg length discrepancy, and running on
> uneven surfaces. Running on a circular track may also contribute to the
> problem. As with other running injuries, athletes should decrease their
> training regimen. In addition, they should also add stretches for the
> ouside of their thigh to their warm-up program, avoid running on uneven
> or circular track surfaces, and some should wear motion control running
> shoes.
>
> Shin Splints - Also called medial tibial stress syndrome, "shin
> splints" refers to pain occurring in either the front or inside
> portions of the lower leg. Tenderness extends along the length of the
> lower leg at either of the surfaces. Those most at risk for shin
> splints are beginning runners who are not yet used to the stresses of
> running or who have not stretched or strengthened properly. To care for
> shin splints, runners should decrease their training, and begin with
> ice and rest, later adding strengthening of their lower leg muscles.
> They may use swimming and biking as alternative forms of exercise. If
> symptoms persist, runners should consult their physicians.
>
> Achilles Tendinitis - The Achilles tendon is the connection between
> the heel and the muscles of the lower leg. Several factors contribute
> to the development of Achilles tendinitis, including excessive hill
> running, sudden increases in training, and improper shoes. One of the
> major factors is excessive tightness of the posterior muscles of the
> leg, including the calf muscles and the hamstrings. Runners with this
> condition should reduce their running. They can use ice and gentle
> stretching to reduce pain and tightness. If not treated properly,
> Achilles tendinitis can develop into a chronic problem.
>
> Heel Pain (Heel Spurs and Plantar Fasciitis) - The most common heel
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> Beginning runner wrote:
>> In article <1163445885.363358.180850@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
>> ishky@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>> Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree
>>>> that pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have
>>>> his hip replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance
>>>> had any problems?
>>>>
>>>> Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just
>>>> break bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off
>>>> horse and was paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact
>>>> fall would be paralized or if he was weak.
>>> Check out some of these.
>> I'd like to see troll boy try to show that running does cause knee and
>> hip problems.
>

Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:18:50
From:
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

Sorry, but I am too retarded to locate these articles. why do i want to
know what happens after knee and hip replacement?

ishky@earthlink.net wrote:
> nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree that
> > pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have his hip
> > replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance had any
> > problems?
> >
> > Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just break
> > bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off horse and was
> > paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact fall would be
> > paralized or if he was weak.
>
> Check out some of these.
>
> 1: Flecher X, Argenson JN, Aubaniac JM.
> [Hip and knee replacement and sport]
> Ann Readapt Med Phys. 2004 Aug;47(6):382-8. Review. French.
> PMID: 15297129 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> 2: Kuster MS, Spalinger E, Blanksby BA, Gachter A.
> Endurance sports after total knee replacement: a biomechanical
> investigation.
> Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Apr;32(4):721-4.
> PMID: 10776888 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> 3: van den Bogert AJ, Read L, Nigg BM.
> An analysis of hip joint loading during walking, running, and skiing.
> Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1999 Jan;31(1):131-42.
> PMID: 9927021 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> 4: McGrory BJ, Stuart MJ, Sim FH.
> Participation in sports after hip and knee arthroplasty: review of
> literature
> and survey of surgeon preferences.
> Mayo Clin Proc. 1995 Apr;70(4):342-8. Review.
> PMID: 7898139 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Date: 14 Nov 2006 18:16:22
From:
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

a one person study is not statistically significant.

ActionBill@gmail.com wrote:
> nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Actually, I just want to read one credible study that says running does
> > not dispose you to knee and hip problems. I'm useless at finding
> > academic studies. The main problem is that there are so many journals
> > and studies that it is hard to find the good studies. Academics
> > have terrible biases that contaminate their studies.
>
> <study> The day after Thanksgiving marks 24 years of jogging for me.
> I'm still rolling along quite nicely, thank you. Training goal: Live to
> be 58 next year.</study>
>
>
> (No big words used in this post to confuse you.)

Date: 14 Nov 2006 17:24:51
From: ActionBill@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Actually, I just want to read one credible study that says running does
> not dispose you to knee and hip problems. I'm useless at finding
> academic studies. The main problem is that there are so many journals
> and studies that it is hard to find the good studies. Academics
> have terrible biases that contaminate their studies.

<study > The day after Thanksgiving marks 24 years of jogging for me.
I'm still rolling along quite nicely, thank you. Training goal: Live to
be 58 next year.</study >

(No big words used in this post to confuse you.)

Date: 14 Nov 2006 14:29:14
From:
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

Actually, I just want to read one credible study that says running does
not dispose you to knee and hip problems. I'm useless at finding
academic studies. The main problem is that there are so many journals
and studies that it is hard to find the good studies. Academics
have terrible biases that contaminate their studies.

Doug Freese wrote:
> <nosugarintea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1163492364.882339.242840@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > Runners of All Types Prone to Injuries
> PM&R Physicians Identify Most Common Injuries
> By most estimates, nearly 70 percent of runners will become injured.
> While many of their injuries will appear minor, they can become more
> serious over time if not properly treated. Physical medicine and
> rehabilitation (PM&R) physicians across the country see injured runners
> every day and are well suited to deal with their injuries.>
>
> There is no sport, especially impact sports, that don't have there share
> of injuries. Your original premise was running more than N miles would
> "cause" permanent damage to one's hips and knees and where you need
> some direction. What you posted are the classic runners injuries. Most
> injuries are "caused" by runners trying to do too much, too soon, too
> fast for there physical condition. No doubt some people have some
> built-in problems such as leg length differences, or tilted hips which
> take some time ferret out.
>
> Those with biomechanical issues need to blame mom and dad not the
> running. The good news even for these more difficult problems, they can
> be corrected with physical therapy or orthotics.
>
> The vast majority of the injuries are self inflicted with the 'Too"
> syndrome as noted above and very correctable. Once people find their
> current physical limits they can slowly push themselves to do more. The
> operative word is slowly. Sad to say most runners are type A and take up
> running on Monday and want to do a marathon the following Monday.
>
> The most problematic time is the first six months to a year trying to
> get muscles to adapt to the physical stresses. When injuries happen you
> find a Vet and fix it. It does not CAUSE your knees and hips to turn to
> dust unless the individual tries to run through the pain. And yes, we
> have some of those people right here that try to run a marathon while
> injured. That is a behavioral deformity not physical, ask Lance. ;)
>
> So the bottom line, if you still can't see the forest for the trees, I
> would take up pool floating for your exercise and cease your anxieties.
> All you have done is show runners are type A, not a set of people that
> are off to get knee and hip transplants because they run further than a
> 1/2 marathon. Want to try another troll?
>
> -DF

Date: 15 Nov 2006 12:29:22
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

<nosugarintea@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1163543354.331939.101350@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Actually, I just want to read one credible study that says running
> does
> not dispose you to knee and hip problems.

If your talking about minor problems we all admit they happen although
the % of injuries can be debated. If the "problems" you allude to are
hip and knee destruction as I think you mean, then I defy you to find a
study that does show this correlation.

> I'm useless at finding academic studies.

So you can't master google and want us to do your homework? Nice try
but I would suggest you find some studies to prove YOUR point and not
make wild assertions without proof and ask us to disprove your smoke.

> The main problem is that there are so many journals
> and studies that it is hard to find the good studies. Academics
> have terrible biases that contaminate their studies.

Paleeze, you sound like that paranoid wacko TC on the nutrition forum
who claims every study that disagrees with position is made of people
on the take. To date he has the American Heart/Cancer/Pediatrics/etc all
on the take. If you're going to take this approach please report to
Roswell for the next UFO abduction.

-DF

Date: 15 Nov 2006 07:29:19
From: rick++
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

Runners word peridoically runs articles on this issue.
One of them is at

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-241-285--9247-0,00.html

and others come up in their search.

I am not entirely sure if Runners World is unbiased.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 11:37:34
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

In article <1163604559.408381.238970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Runners word peridoically runs articles on this issue.
> One of them is at
>
> http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-241-285--9247-0,00.html
>
> and others come up in their search.
>
> I am not entirely sure if Runners World is unbiased.

I'm sure it's not. However, I'd like to think that "Arthritis Research &
Therapy" is unbiased, and that's where the study was published.

--Harold Buck

"Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."

-Homer J. Simpson

Date: 16 Nov 2006 09:08:14
From: Ed Prochak
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

ActionBill@gmail.com wrote:
> nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Actually, I just want to read one credible study that says running does
> > not dispose you to knee and hip problems. I'm useless at finding
> > academic studies. The main problem is that there are so many journals
> > and studies that it is hard to find the good studies. Academics
> > have terrible biases that contaminate their studies.
>
> <study> The day after Thanksgiving marks 24 years of jogging for me.
> I'm still rolling along quite nicely, thank you. Training goal: Live to
> be 58 next year.</study>
>
>
> (No big words used in this post to confuse you.)

<study case #2 > As of April this yesr (2006), I have been running for
14 years. No running related injuries. I did have some time off from
running due to a hip/back injury from softball. My running is improving
again and next year will be back to 5milers and 10Ks with maybe a half
marathon. Long term goal: to be still running in my 90's (about 40years
from now)
<end case #2 >

Date: 16 Nov 2006 04:27:52
From:
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause knee and hip problems?

Date: 01 Dec 2006 17:59:02
From: Twittering One
Subject: Action Bill

Where's Action Bill these days ~ ?

24 years, that's a good pattern;
Where do you run ~ ?

ActionBill@gmail.com wrote:
> nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Actually, I just want to read one credible study that says running does
> > not dispose you to knee and hip problems. I'm useless at finding
> > academic studies. The main problem is that there are so many journals
> > and studies that it is hard to find the good studies. Academics
> > have terrible biases that contaminate their studies.
>
> <study> The day after Thanksgiving marks 24 years of jogging for me.
> I'm still rolling along quite nicely, thank you. Training goal: Live to
> be 58 next year.</study>
>
>
> (No big words used in this post to confuse you.)

Date: 10 Dec 2006 01:43:58
From: Jan Brittenson
Subject: Re: Are there any good studies that show that running does not cause

nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hulk hogan has had hip and knee replacement so i assume we agree that
> pro wrestling is not good for you. Floyd Landis had to have his hip
> replaced so obviously biking is not good for you.Has Lance had any
> problems?
>
> Some people must just have weak knees and hips. Some people just break
> bones or sprain ankles etc.. Christopher reeves fell off horse and was
> paralized. I wonder if everybody who had his exact fall would be
> paralized or if he was weak.

There are some studies to show runners have less joint problems than
the population at large, and are healthier overall.

Here's one that looks at the impact of running wrt aging-related
musculoskeletal health problems:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=3551605&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum

"Musculoskeletal disability appeared to develop with age at a lower rate
in runners (0.003 units per year versus 0.028) than in community control
subjects, and the decreased rate was observed with both lower extremity
and upper extremity functions. These data suggest positive effects of
systematic aerobic running activity upon functional aspects of
musculoskeletal aging."

0.003 vs 0.028 is almost 10:1 in favor of the runners. That's not
a minor statistical difference. This also suggests (IMO) that people
with congenital predisposition towards joint problems can actually
sometimes prevent them by running.

You can also do your own searches at pubmed...