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Date: 04 Oct 2006 04:05:08
From: LSmith
Subject: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is not
even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing Jurek
in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
competing....no? Jurek is great a beating up on guys 50% older than
him in the ho-hum fields of Masters that comprise American Ultra
running.
Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
Serious question.
http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=36463.html
Beyond the Marathon in Seoul - the IAU 100km World Cup
Wednesday 4 ober 2006
As the athletes competing in the inaugural IAAF World Road Running
Championships are warming up in Debrecen, Hungary, on Sunday 8 ober,
the tail-enders will be completing the last stages of the IAU
(International Association of Ultrarunners) 100km World Cup in Misari,
South Korea, whilst the winners will be celebrating their completion of
five times the distance being run in Debrecen.
The 100km World Cup is the season's climax for those who run
'beyond the marathon' and will take place over ten laps of a 10km
course around the Motor Boat Race Stadium, 20 kilometres from Seoul.
The course is flat and is likely to be very fast.
Coming into the race, the fastest man on paper is Italy's Mario
Ardemagni, who comes to Misari with a 2004 personal best of 6:18:24 for
the 100km race, when he took the 2004 IAU 100km World Championships
gold, whereas the man with the best form so far this year is Spain's
Jose Maria Gonzalez, who heads the IAAF 100km standings with his
6:23:44 winning time in the European 100km Championships race, in
Torhout, Belgium on 16 June, where the Spaniard crossed the finish line
more than 10 minutes in front of second-placed Dzmitry Bula of Belarus
with 6:33:56.
The Belarusian is not competing in Misari, but the third-placer in
Torhout, France's Yannick Djouadi will be lining up to attempt to
improve his showing. Also on the cards, there could be an interesting
duel between the top two finishers from last year's IAU 50km
Challenge, with the winner in the closing competition of the 2005
Challenge - the Palermo Super Marathon, the Russian Oleg Kharitonov
who added victory in this year's Comrades Marathon to his laurels -
clashing with another French runner, Sandor Barcza, who Kharitonov had
passed in the final few hundred metres in Palermo, though Barcza still
clinched overall victory in the Challenge.
In the women's field, there is a strong Japanese presence, led by
Niroko Sho, the defending champion with a 2006 personal best of 7:40:30
and her compatriot Emi Iwasaki, who boasts a 2006 best of 7:54:33. They
will be lining up against the European and German champion Birgit
Schonherr-Holscher (7:48:33, 2006 PB). Italy's Monica Carlin, with a
personal best this year of 7:51:44 and Monica Casiraghi will also
likely be in the running, especially if she is able to find the form
that took her to the top step of the podium in 2004.
The IAU 100km World Cup is also a team competition and the USA are
hoping to repeat their victory in the 2005 edition, where the USA
women's team bettered the French women's performance by 14 minutes.
In the men's team competition, Kharitonov will be looking to lead the
Russians to another victory and retain the title that they won last
year, also beating the French into second place, but with an even
bigger margin: 34:55.
Sean Wallace-Jones for IAAF
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 09:50:14
From: LSmith
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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userfriendly wrote:
> Your post assumes that Jurek's goal is competition vs. other runners, but
> after reading a recent interview with him in RW, that doesn't seem to be the
> case. Jurek's goal is not being faster than everyone else, but going
> further and doing more than he's done in the past. His competition is only
> with himself.
You're 100% inrcorrect....and....well...ignorant (sorry, no
offence...you just are).
"When it comes down to it on race day, it's a matter of who wants it
more and who's ready to work for it," says Jurek.
(in a race...)
"They walked when I walked, they ate when I ate, they shadowed my every
move," the 28-year-old Jurek calls back to me. "Usually, you take turns
when you're leading a race, but these guys just followed whatever I
did. Finally, I had to just put the hammer down and get rid of them."
-Jurek
Jurek is out to kick ass like everyone else, he's out to win, please
clearly understand that. He just chooses to be the big fish in the
small pond feasting and beating up on Masters, old guys, while the one
guy his age, an unknown who slept on the course for half-an hour in the
race (Badwater '06) only lost by 17 minutes. That's Jurek exposed,
facing guys his own age.
Once you look at who Jurek is competing against his dominance is not
surprising. I am simply framing and explaining how he can win WS100,
not rest, and 10 days later win Badwater. No competition.
Jurek's not dumb and he knows damn well he cannot hang with an
international field of ultra runners, guys his age. I posted about a
guy who runs 100K distance over 1 hour faster than Jurek does. This
is Jurek exposed. If Jurek wasn't a cherry picker, he's race against
the best ultra runners in the world. Jurek does not do this.
http://www.trailrunnermag.com/features/feature%2017.html
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 16:28:43
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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On 2006-10-04, LSmith <Digisend@gmail.com > wrote:
> Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is not
> even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing Jurek
> in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
> competing....no?
Jurek is not the fastest 100km road ultra runner in the US. He won't go to the
champs, because he's not fast enough to qualify (7:20)
> Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
> ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
Probably not. The fastest current guy according to usatf website ran 6:59. That's
pretty good, but not good enough to win.
Ann Trason used to be very competitive (7:00 for 100km, I think she
still holds several world records)
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 15:41:54
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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"LSmith" <Digisend@gmail.com > wrote
> Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is not
> even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing Jurek
> in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
> competing....no? Jurek is great a beating up on guys 50% older than
> him in the ho-hum fields of Masters that comprise American Ultra
> running.
>
> Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
> ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
> Serious question.
Nope.
Here's the fastest guy (2:13PR) I know of running ultras in the US:
Uli Steidel (German citizen who's been living in Seattle for 15 years --
trains with Jurek, and even ran a recovery run last week with a friend of
mine)
http://www.runningtimes.com/rt/articles/print.asp?id=5412
If he became a citizen, he'd surely qualify as world class. At his level,
he'd rather be getting prize money winning regional marathons, etc than
running a 100k in Europe, I think.
Matt Carpenter (29:xx 10k) might be good at the 100k international distance,
but he loves mountains.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 09:58:54
From: userfriendly
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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"LSmith" <Digisend@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159959908.734583.112970@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is not
: even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing Jurek
: in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
: competing....no? Jurek is great a beating up on guys 50% older than
: him in the ho-hum fields of Masters that comprise American Ultra
: running.
:
: Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
: ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
: Serious question.
:
: http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=36463.html
:
Your post assumes that Jurek's goal is competition vs. other runners, but
after reading a recent interview with him in RW, that doesn't seem to be the
case. Jurek's goal is not being faster than everyone else, but going
further and doing more than he's done in the past. His competition is only
with himself.
It's easy to sit back and sneer at those who do things we could never do,
but envy is a really unattractive feature.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 16:18:16
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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On 2006-10-04, userfriendly <youserfriendly@google.net > wrote:
> "LSmith" <Digisend@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1159959908.734583.112970@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>: Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is not
>: even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing Jurek
>: in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
>: competing....no? Jurek is great a beating up on guys 50% older than
>: him in the ho-hum fields of Masters that comprise American Ultra
>: running.
>:
>: Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
>: ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
>: Serious question.
>:
>: http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=36463.html
>:
>
> Your post assumes that Jurek's goal is competition vs. other runners, but
> after reading a recent interview with him in RW, that doesn't seem to be the
> case. Jurek's goal is not being faster than everyone else, but going
Based on a report I read about what sounded like a fairly grandiose celebration
ritual at the WS100 finish line, I did have the impression that he likes to win
even if that's not his "goal".
Cheers,
--
Elflord
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 14:14:53
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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"userfriendly" <youserfriendly@google.net > wrote in message
news:l6PUg.19536$rg1.2827@dukeread01...
> "LSmith" <Digisend@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1159959908.734583.112970@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> : Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is
> not
> : even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing
> Jurek
> : in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
> : competing....no? Jurek is great a beating up on guys 50% older
> than
> : him in the ho-hum fields of Masters that comprise American Ultra
> : running.
> :
> : Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
> : ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
> : Serious question.
> :
> : http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=36463.html
> :
>
> Your post assumes that Jurek's goal is competition vs. other runners,
> but
> after reading a recent interview with him in RW, that doesn't seem to
> be the
> case. Jurek's goal is not being faster than everyone else, but going
> further and doing more than he's done in the past. His competition is
> only
> with himself.
This is classic Lance's shoddy attempt to provoke discussion. He draws
a make-believe line in the sand, draws a faulty conclusion and then gets
testy when cornered. When he gets into one of these moods just ignore
him.
> It's easy to sit back and sneer at those who do things we could never
> do,
> but envy is a really unattractive feature.
When he can't measure up he stoops to measuring others but most of us
are aware of his childish games.
-Doug
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 17:11:58
From: Dot
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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Doug Freese wrote:
> "userfriendly" <youserfriendly@google.net> wrote in message
> news:l6PUg.19536$rg1.2827@dukeread01...
>
>>"LSmith" <Digisend@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1159959908.734583.112970@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>: Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is
>>not
>>: even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing
>>Jurek
>>: in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
>>: competing....no? Jurek is great a beating up on guys 50% older
>>than
>>: him in the ho-hum fields of Masters that comprise American Ultra
>>: running.
>>:
>>: Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
>>: ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
>>: Serious question.
>>:
>>: http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=36463.html
>>:
>>
>>Your post assumes that Jurek's goal is competition vs. other runners,
>>but
>>after reading a recent interview with him in RW, that doesn't seem to
>>be the
>>case. Jurek's goal is not being faster than everyone else, but going
>>further and doing more than he's done in the past. His competition is
>>only
>>with himself.
>
>
> This is classic Lance's shoddy attempt to provoke discussion. He draws
> a make-believe line in the sand, draws a faulty conclusion and then gets
> testy when cornered.
Just so others recognize the faulty conclusion / mis-information:
Scott Jurek just won the Spartathlon in an international field, which
sounds like a more interesting course than the 100k course in Korea to
me. Only Kouros has run faster.
The US women's team is defending world 100k champions and will defend on
8.
Some of the national and world championships seem to be run on certain
types of courses. Some runners prefer to compete or at least run on more
prestigious or interesting courses. That's why some will pass up
opportunities to be on national teams - whether it's distance or mountain.
Dot
--
"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 15:45:25
From: Dan Stumpus
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com > wrote
> "userfriendly" <youserfriendly@google.net> wrote
>> It's easy to sit back and sneer at those who do things we could never do,
>> but envy is a really unattractive feature.
>
> When he can't measure up he stoops to measuring others but most of us are
> aware of his childish games.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" -- W.S.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 07:33:58
From: rob
Subject: Re: American Ultra & Jurek: All Hype?
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True about Jurek
But what's up with Uli Steidel (German citizen who's been living in
Seattle for 15 years)
I guess he likes the Money??
Can't make that in the old EU hay ??
ya it's about the sport
I think not
Dan Stumpus wrote:
> "LSmith" <Digisend@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > Scott Jurek's 100K PR is 7:28. The "American God" of the sport is not
> > even competitive on an international level. I'm simply placing Jurek
> > in context. If the guy was legit, we would be reading about him
> > competing....no? Jurek is great a beating up on guys 50% older than
> > him in the ho-hum fields of Masters that comprise American Ultra
> > running.
> >
> > Question: Is there an American woman or man that's competitive in
> > ultra running? Not a team, a single individual that can compete?
> > Serious question.
>
> Nope.
>
> Here's the fastest guy (2:13PR) I know of running ultras in the US:
>
> Uli Steidel (German citizen who's been living in Seattle for 15 years --
> trains with Jurek, and even ran a recovery run last week with a friend of
> mine)
>
> http://www.runningtimes.com/rt/articles/print.asp?id=5412
>
> If he became a citizen, he'd surely qualify as world class. At his level,
> he'd rather be getting prize money winning regional marathons, etc than
> running a 100k in Europe, I think.
>
> Matt Carpenter (29:xx 10k) might be good at the 100k international distance,
> but he loves mountains.
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