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Date: 18 Dec 2006 02:18:29
From: wully-m
Subject: Alcohol and running?

I got a phone call from a guy who is a member of a local running club
to invite me to join a wine tasting club for marathon runners because,
as he said, "boozing and running always go together." I was a bit
surprised that such a club should exist as I've always been told that
alcohol and running most definately DO NOT go together. Am I just out
of touch with the latest research?

wully-m http://marathontrainingandnutrition.blogspot.com/

Date: 18 Dec 2006 10:43:27
From: Kaz Kylheku
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

wully-m wrote:
> I got a phone call from a guy who is a member of a local running club
> to invite me to join a wine tasting club for marathon runners because,
> as he said, "boozing and running always go together."

There are also those who believe that having a potbelly and love
handles goes together with running. Probably some of the same people.

> I was a bit surprised that such a club should exist as I've always been told that
> alcohol and running most definately DO NOT go together.

Boozing and exercise definitely do not go together. Alcohol has no
place in the serious athlete's diet, really.

Date: 18 Dec 2006 09:50:40
From: amh
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

Date: 18 Dec 2006 18:18:20
From: Elflord
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

On 2006-12-18, amh <ishky@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
> wully-m wrote:
>> I got a phone call from a guy who is a member of a local running club
>> to invite me to join a wine tasting club for marathon runners because,
>> as he said, "boozing and running always go together." I was a bit
>> surprised that such a club should exist as I've always been told that
>> alcohol and running most definately DO NOT go together. Am I just out
>> of touch with the latest research?
>>
>> wully-m http://marathontrainingandnutrition.blogspot.com/
>
> Try looking up Hash House Harriers. They call themselves a drinking
> club with a running problem. In France the Marathon de Medoc (sp?) has
> wine stops for those wishing to imbibe while marathoning.
>
> Alcohol and running do not go together for those high level athletes
> who are paying the bills through their prize money and/or appearence
> fees. For the rest of us schlubs who aren't enrolled in a twelve step
> program, not a problem.
>
> I lament the age of responsibility where the post race beer truck is
> banned.

Some of us who acted as "support crew" for the NY marathon brought some to
the finish line.

I'm all for post-race drinks, but not pre-race. Last time I drank the night
before a race, I DNFd.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:09:40
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: An athlete to lose medal because "she is not female"?

Ajanta wrote:
> <http://www.ibnlive.com/news/indias-santhi-is-not-female-to-lose-asiad-s
> ilver/28712-5.html>
>
> This is getting too Clintonesque for me: "she" will lose medal
> because "she" is "not female"? :)

Yeah, I saw that too.

OTOH even if "she" has full male equipment and none of the female
goodies, [s]he still strikes me as hardly more masculine than this
"female" cyclist: http://charles.pelkey.com/tammy.html

With most of the hair cropped out:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6210/tammythomasuf2.jpg

Oof! Is it possible to dope an X chromosome into a Y? Rick++, what
sayest thou? You seem to be the expert on folks with borderline gender
issues; I won't ask why.

Cycling: making running look like a clean sport.

Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:33:00
From: tfactor
Subject: Re: An athlete to lose medal because "she is not female"?

Charlie Pendejo wrote:

> Oof! Is it possible to dope an X chromosome into a Y?
>

Look up "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome". There are millions of XY
women in the world, and I use the term women unreservedly: they think
they're women and so does everyone else without access to chromosome
stain and a microscope. In fact, people are _more_ likely to think of
them as women because they're more likely to adhere to the beauty
standards for women that few "real" (i.e. XX) women are able to meet.
AIS women are disproportionately fashion models, for example, because
they tend to be tall and thin yet curvy.

Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:44:02
From: So What
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

figures
hay ahm. How yah doing.......
best.......

Lowtuc.

Date: 18 Dec 2006 12:49:51
From: John Galt
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

"wully-m" <william.milton@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:1166437109.817821.110430@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> I got a phone call from a guy who is a member of a local running club
> to invite me to join a wine tasting club for marathon runners because,
> as he said, "boozing and running always go together." I was a bit
> surprised that such a club should exist as I've always been told that
> alcohol and running most definately DO NOT go together. Am I just out
> of touch with the latest research?
>
> wully-m http://marathontrainingandnutrition.blogspot.com/
>

Anecdotal of course, but one time years ago my running buddy and I, during a
celebratory night out, downed quite a few pitchers between us. We had
planned to go for a ten-miler the next moring (planned before the night of
drinking). Next morning, I was thinking that it would be a crummy run, in
fact I was still feeling the effects. But, turned out, we both ran really
strong and hard. Go figure. Must have been youth.

Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:37:02
From: gym.gravity
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:53:06
From: h squared
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

gym.gravity wrote:

> you might not want to do it before a marathon that you intend to run a
> pr in, but for 364 other days of the year, if you like to drink, why
> tourture yourself?

you might like this cartoon, gym sr. it is one of my all time favorites...
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/021704/my-coffee-commercial.gif

just replace "coffee" with "booze" if you don't like coffee.

heather

Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:12:14
From: Beginning runner
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

In article <uq6dnQeSEdFOhhrYnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com >,
h squared <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net > wrote:

> you might like this cartoon, gym sr. it is one of my all time
> favorites...
> http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/021704/my-coffee-commercial.gif
>
> just replace "coffee" with "booze" if you don't like coffee.

May I replace coffee and booze with sex?

Date: 18 Dec 2006 07:37:28
From: runsrealfast
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

Al Bundy wrote:
> wully-m wrote:
> > I got a phone call from a guy who is a member of a local running club
> > to invite me to join a wine tasting club for marathon runners because,
> > as he said, "boozing and running always go together." I was a bit
> > surprised that such a club should exist as I've always been told that
> > alcohol and running most definately DO NOT go together. Am I just out
> > of touch with the latest research?
> >
> I'm not a drinker so maybe it's the fact that I have not built up a
> tolerance for alcohol, but when I ever did drink the night before a
> run, the run was terrible. Others may rationalize how alcohol helps
> them. It doesn't work for me.

When I was in college it was explained that alcohol can dehydrate you
or at least make you less hydrated. I saw this at one race, we had a
guy that was a heavy drinker and got drunk a day before a race. His
body basically shut down just before the finish line (four mile race).
When I passed him he was pale and looked like a dude that was about to
die.

John

Date: 18 Dec 2006 06:56:34
From: Al Bundy
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

Date: 19 Dec 2006 04:19:28
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

"wully-m" <william.milton@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:1166437109.817821.110430@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> I got a phone call from a guy who is a member of a local running club
> to invite me to join a wine tasting club for marathon runners because,
> as he said, "boozing and running always go together." I was a bit
> surprised that such a club should exist as I've always been told that
> alcohol and running most definately DO NOT go together. Am I just out
> of touch with the latest research?
>
> wully-m http://marathontrainingandnutrition.blogspot.com/

Come to think of it, for winter runs a couple of beers might be just the
ticket. Alcohol shunts body heat to the extremities, which is a liability to
survival in the cold under normal circumstances. But this is exactly what
runners who tend to overheat at the core while getting cold arms and hands
need. For base training runs which I normally run too hard partly as a
reaction to the cold, this might be worth further experimentation -- it
seemed to work the last time I ran after having a couple of beers at
lunchtime about 2 weeks ago ;)

-Tony

Date: 18 Dec 2006 15:19:28
From: Black Metal Martha
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:48:32
From: Charlie Pendejo
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> Boozing and exercise definitely do not go together. Alcohol has
> no place in the serious athlete's diet, really.

Yawn.

The postrace beer or three has been a fixture for runners, even (or
especially, according to much lore) national- and world-class guys, for
decades.

Of course, a few beers isn't what most of us would call "boozing".

Date: 19 Dec 2006 01:00:45
From: Doug Freese
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

"Charlie Pendejo" <Charlie.Pendejo@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166471312.402865.92690@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> Boozing and exercise definitely do not go together. Alcohol has
>> no place in the serious athlete's diet, really.
>
> Yawn.

Double yawn. Besdies, what mean boozing? Do you skip sex also?
>
> The postrace beer or three has been a fixture for runners, even (or
> especially, according to much lore) national- and world-class guys,
> for
> decades.

Deprive me of a post race beer and I'm one nasty person. I run for that
Heineken at the finish line and to insure my dreams are fulfilled, I
bring them. It's the first thing I grab for.

I will usually have one or two pints with dinner the night before a
race. It does not dehydrate me and in fact helps me get a good night
sleep.

-Doug

Date: 19 Dec 2006 06:11:25
From: Fortunate Fool
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

My personal opinion is exercising good judegement.

If I went out and got trashed the day before a long run, I will feel
it. Would I ever drink heavily before a race... certainly not, but I
will drink after. How does that make a non-athlete?

Last weekend I did a 1.5 mile run backwards after drinking 3
margaritta's :)

Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:39:41
From: gym.gravity
Subject: Re: Alcohol and running?

wully-m wrote:
> I got a phone call from a guy who is a member of a local running club
> to invite me to join a wine tasting club for marathon runners because,
> as he said, "boozing and running always go together." I was a bit
> surprised that such a club should exist as I've always been told that
> alcohol and running most definately DO NOT go together. Am I just out
> of touch with the latest research?
>
> wully-m http://marathontrainingandnutrition.blogspot.com/

Here you go...be selective about what you drink...reservatrol (a
component of red wine) increases aerobic capacity:

Resveratrol Improves Mitochondrial Function and Protects against
Metabolic Disease by Activating SIRT1 and PGC-1α

Cell, Vol 127, 1109-1122, 15 December 2006

Marie Lagouge,8,1 Carmen Argmann,8,1 Zachary Gerhart-Hines,2 Hamid
Meziane,3 Carles Lerin,2 Frederic Daussin,4 Nadia Messadeq,3 Jill
Milne,5 Philip Lambert,5 Peter Elliott,5 Bernard Geny,4 Markku Laakso,6
Pere Puigserver,2 and Johan Auwerx1,3,7,∗

1 Institut de G=E9n=E9tique et de Biologie Mol=E9culaire et Cellulaire,
CNRS / INSERM / ULP, 67404 Illkirch, France
2 Department of Cell Biology, John Hopkins University School of
Medicine, Baltimore, MD 21205, USA
3 Institut Clinique de la Souris, BP10142, 67404, Illkirch, France
4 Department of Respiratory, Cardiocirculatory and Exercise Physiology,
H=F4pitaux Universitaires, 67000 Strasbourg, France
5 Sirtris Pharmaceutical, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
6 Department of Medicine, University of Kuopio, 70211 Kuopio, Finland
7 IGBMC-ICS, 67404 Illkirch, France

∗Corresponding author
Johan Auwerx
auwerx@igbmc.u-strasbg.fr

Diminished mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation and aerobic capacity
are associated with reduced longevity. We tested whether resveratrol
(RSV), which is known to extend lifespan, impacts mitochondrial
function and metabolic homeostasis. Treatment of mice with RSV
significantly increased their aerobic capacity, as evidenced by their
increased running time and consumption of oxygen in muscle fibers.
RSV's effects were associated with an induction of genes for oxidative
phosphorylation and mitochondrial biogenesis and were largely explained
by an RSV-mediated decrease in PGC-1α acetylation and an increase
in PGC-1α activity. This mechanism is consistent with RSV being a
known activator of the protein deacetylase, SIRT1, and by the lack of
effect of RSV in SIRT1−/− MEFs. Importantly, RSV treatment
protected mice against diet-induced-obesity and insulin resistance.
These pharmacological effects of RSV combined with the association of
three Sirt1 SNPs and energy homeostasis in Finnish subjects implicates
SIRT1 as a key regulator of energy and metabolic homeostasis.

http://www.cell.com/content/article/abstract?uid=3DPIIS0092867406014280

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=3Dpubmed&cmd=3DSearch&itoo=
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